My boss has sum cars at work that run but are destined to be scrapped. One is a mid to late 90s SC T bird he use tn drag. The interior is gone except the dash. Anybndy know anything bout these cars? I hate to see wasted potential goin to the crusher.
supercharged t bird
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Turbos are cooler anyways! Stock F-Bodys have run in the high 12s, but that doesn't happen every day. The Cobras have ran low 12s and are good for mid-high 12s pretty easily. If they were running mid 13s they had VERY shitty drivers as a good driver in a NON supercharged Cobra could click off a mid 13. And I agree about the 1% statement, the chrome looks pretty clean on those rims lol
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I was just messing with you. I have nothing to be jealous of. Im pretty sure I have something a bit faster and nicer than your tbird.
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Uh... *dull stare*... Stock for Stock that Mustang would have ass raped your Firebird, sorry, it's the truth. Stop comparing modified to bone stock, it's pointless and idiotic.
Changing to drag slicks doesn't count as stock either. The fastest true stock times on stock tires, stock everything down to air filter was something like a 12.9 and it took them multiple attempts and they never could repeat it. That was with one of C&D's best drivers mind you, so I highly doubt Joe six pack was running those times.
As for Chrysler having anything to compete, yeah right. They still to this day don't have a true competitor for the Mustang and the Camaro. The Challenger is a bloated slow pig and handles like one as well. Most performance magazine reviews agree with me as well. Chrysler keeps missing the ball entirely.
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i know that supercharger will bolt up to a couple cars, like neons etc, my buddy and i were talking about it yesterday..but..its a ford:wave: lol
Chrysler isn't trying to compete with the Mustang or Camaro so they haven't missed anything. The only people trying to compare the Challenger to the Mustang and Camaro are people from the media.
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They are compared because they are V8, rwd coupes and similarly sized. It's not a far off comparison really. I'd lay wager if they could actually compete against the two, they would be making the comparison themselves.
The Ford variant of the Eaton M90 is what most guys use when doing swaps, due to the TB positioning. They are slightly different rotor design wise than the GM Eatons as well. The Neons and the small cars tend to use the Eaton M60 which is physically smaller, which came on the pre-96' 3.8 GM's, they aren't that efficient and not much aftermarket support for them.
If I was going to do a swap, i would try to find a way to use the Gen V M90. I'm trying to track one down at the moment to replace my Gen 2.
Sure, they are all RWD V8 cars, but so is the Corvette, and the Caddy CTS coupe, but you don't see Camaro or Mustangs trying to be compared to them. Even though by your definition it wouldn't be a far off comparison. The Charger weighs a lot more, and is definetely bigger than the Mustang and slightly bigger than the Camaro.
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^I know, you can't compare the Challengers to the Mustang/Camaros because they cost more. A more fair comparision would be the SRT8 Challenger and the GT500 Mustangs, and we all know how that would end...
EVERYONE except you I guess is comparing the Challenger to the other two, I don't get why you would think differently. Just sounds like your mad that they are worse in everyway other than personal opinion stuff(looks/interior). Dodge made a shitty car that doesn't compete, doesn't mean it wasn't meant to.
EVERYONE except you I guess is comparing the Challenger to the other two, I don't get why you would think differently. Just sounds like your mad that they are worse in everyway other than personal opinion stuff(looks/interior). Dodge made a shitty car that doesn't compete, doesn't mean it wasn't meant to.
If it was "meant to" compete, Dodge could easily have made it that way. Hw bout we put it a different way. It isn't supposed to "compete" performance wise, but yes they are in the same market category. People will buy the Challenger over the Camaro/Mustang for the same reasons people would buy the Charger over the Chevy Impalla and Ford Taurus.
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I'm gona hav to disagree with hskr. Dodge made a two door sports car so they would hav a car in catagory of mustangs n camaros. Why they dropped the ball performance wise I duno. The 6.1 shoulda been the base motor. Ur way of thinkn is like sayn the Gran Cher SRT wasn't made to compete with the Porshe Cayane.
So because Dodge finally made a v-8 2-door car it has to be able to compete with the Mustang and Camaro?? The SRT will now have the 6.4L and should be good competition for the Camaro SS, and the new base model pentastar V6 will be a nice upgrade from the current 3.5LHO in power, but not meant to compete performance wise with the Mustang or Camaro.
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mustangs camaros and challengers are supposed to compete in sales. Everyone likes a car for different reasons. Some people are driven to buy for performance, some the styling, and some because they stick with one manufacturer because thats what they know.
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What are you even trying to say now? Just because a car was meant to go head to head with other cars, doesn't mean it's going to do a good job at it. Dodge went cheap on the Challenger and that's why it's behind in all the performance tests when compared to the Camaros and Mustangs. But I'm really lost at what you're trying to say, sounds like you are trying to make up an excuse for the Challenger getting it's ass kicked by the other two.
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Honestly, the Hemi in it's latest incarnation isn't that impressive in stock form. It certainly doesn't deserve to wear the name badge. It's not nearly the performance motor the LS series has proven to be or the Ford MOD motors have proved to be as well.
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the hemi displacement for displacment is very comparable to the LSx
the 5.7 started at 335 (now 380) like the LS1 5.7
the 6.1 went to 425 which was comparable to the LS2 6.2 was 400 now 425
the 6.4 is going to be 480-500 comparable to LS7 7.0 at 505
I cant see why people are dissing the Hemi.
the problem with the challenger is that ITS HEAVY !!! Its got an E series Merc's rear suspension (which gives it the best ride IMO) and its HUGE compared to the Camaro and Mustang.
just imagine the power if they followed Ford and went to 4v/cyl..... remember the first ZR1 and the LT5 in 1990...
the 5.7 started at 335 (now 380) like the LS1 5.7
the 6.1 went to 425 which was comparable to the LS2 6.2 was 400 now 425
the 6.4 is going to be 480-500 comparable to LS7 7.0 at 505
I cant see why people are dissing the Hemi.
the problem with the challenger is that ITS HEAVY !!! Its got an E series Merc's rear suspension (which gives it the best ride IMO) and its HUGE compared to the Camaro and Mustang.
just imagine the power if they followed Ford and went to 4v/cyl..... remember the first ZR1 and the LT5 in 1990...
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Mainly because nothing they put it in is that impressive? It makes the Hemi seem like it's down on power in comparison, I dunno. The Challenger is a fail really, it's designed to be a performance car, but it's a performance car that doesn't perform. Styling alone isn't enough to carry it, and it absolutely was meant to go head to head with the Mustang and the Camaro, only until it was obvious that it couldn't hold it's own did people start saying it's not a pony car.
I had a 09' Hemi sitting in my shop last month (truck engine out of a Aspen that I swapped that needed rebuilt.), and I passed on using it as a foundation for building my truck simply due to the lack of aftermarket support and cost.
I had a 09' Hemi sitting in my shop last month (truck engine out of a Aspen that I swapped that needed rebuilt.), and I passed on using it as a foundation for building my truck simply due to the lack of aftermarket support and cost.
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