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duramaxdodge · Mar 17, 2016

punisher1130 said:
I get irritated easily with stuff like that, especially when this has nothing to do with this given post. I understand having a hard time but there are things that can be blamed on the truck and things that cant. The brake lines, ok yeah ill give you that, faulty manufacturing no ifs ands or butts, that is settled. For the steering, yeah that's cause by wreck less driving, cant tell you much than that but from my experiences with working in different garages, truck owners beat the living hell out of their truck, the ones that don't care will fix only what is needed to sell it, and depending on the dealer will depend on the quality of the vehicle check.

Good example of that is most buy here pay here's, they do horrible checks so issues like what your dealing with can pass through very easily. Bigger dealerships tend to do better jobs and in the very least makes a notice on things the owner can take care of such things, though they still mainly stick to safety and drivability. But that will still depend on the seller if they mention it or not even if it is marked ''as is'' its still a crap shoot.

No matter how you slice it, the vehicle can only be blamed for so much, the previous owner(s) are responsible for the rest but its the current owners job to either set it right or pass it along to someone else and give them the heads up on issues so they know what they are up against while you move on to another vehicle.

BTW my truck is lifted with oversize tires and is no stranger to off road use while still being a daily driver. The main issues I have is alignment, a short somewhere in my reverse light circuit and since my a/c if vacuum controlled I loose my vents at highway speeds. As for worn out parts, just wear and tear.

I bought the vehicle with a blown 3.9L. Owner clearly NEVER changed the oil even once. The engine was full of sludge and the crank was welded to the block from heat. I buy things like that because I can fix them. The price just needs to be right. I therefore know how to maintain a vehicle. That being said I know how and when to blame the previous owner for neglect. The issues I spoke of are not neglect. Well, the engine is but, not the brake lines but you already agreed with me so that's cool. You can blame certain steering issues on abuse but the steering shaft is not one of them. It is between the rack and the steering column. How the hell does one abuse that? How about the power window regulators? Those plastic snap in (or should I say snap off) pulleys are a joke. Who ever thought that would be a good material to hang the weight of a window from and stress it with cables in freezing temperatures while the window is partially frozen to the door frame? Are you gonna tell me they suddenly broke allowing the window to fall into the door in freezing temps (thanks Dodge) because the previous owner failed to remove the door panels and lubricate and inspect them? When should they have done this? It only had 135k on it. Should they be checked every 50k? 100k?
I have worked on cars for 30 years, I can spot a crappy component when I see one. These Dodges are full of them.

Ford is no better, my buddy has a Ranger with a 4.0, coolant started leaking. Turned out to be a thermostat housing. No, not a thermostat gasket, the whole freaking housing had to be replaced?? WTF?? Never heard of that one before either. Stupid thing is made of plastic and it's a two piece unit, GLUED together! Yeah, something that goes though thousands and thousands of heat cycles... sounds like a great idea. Funny thing was the local auto parts store had one on the shelf. Clearly this is not a isolated incident... Go into a local parts store and ask for a thermostat HOUSING for a Toyota or Honda. See what happens.

that_guy · Mar 17, 2016

duramaxdodge said:
I bought the vehicle with a blown 3.9L. Owner clearly NEVER changed the oil even once. The engine was full of sludge and the crank was welded to the block from heat. I buy things like that because I can fix them. The price just needs to be right. I therefore know how to maintain a vehicle. That being said I know how and when to blame the previous owner for neglect. The issues I spoke of are not neglect. Well, the engine is but, not the brake lines but you already agreed with me so that's cool. You can blame certain steering issues on abuse but the steering shaft is not one of them. It is between the rack and the steering column. How the hell does one abuse that? How about the power window regulators? Those plastic snap in (or should I say snap off) pulleys are a joke. Who ever thought that would be a good material to hang the weight of a window from and stress it with cables in freezing temperatures while the window is partially frozen to the door frame? Are you gonna tell me they suddenly broke allowing the window to fall into the door in freezing temps (thanks Dodge) because the previous owner failed to remove the door panels and lubricate and inspect them? When should they have done this? It only had 135k on it. Should they be checked every 50k? 100k?
I have worked on cars for 30 years, I can spot a crappy component when I see one. These Dodges are full of them.

Ford is no better, my buddy has a Ranger with a 4.0, coolant started leaking. Turned out to be a thermostat housing. No, not a thermostat gasket, the whole freaking housing had to be replaced?? WTF?? Never heard of that one before either. Stupid thing is made of plastic and it's a two piece unit, GLUED together! Yeah, something that goes though thousands and thousands of heat cycles... sounds like a great idea. Funny thing was the local auto parts store had one on the shelf. Clearly this is not a isolated incident... Go into a local parts store and ask for a thermostat HOUSING for a Toyota or Honda. See what happens.

So you know it wasn't maintained, yet you're still complaining about things being broken or worn out. It sound like you're failing to see the biggest crappy component involved with that truck, you. If all you want to do is complain, leave.

duramaxdodge · Mar 17, 2016

that_guy said:
So you know it wasn't maintained, yet you're still complaining about things being broken or worn out. It sound like you're failing to see the biggest crappy component involved with that truck, you. If all you want to do is complain, leave.

The truck is actually in pretty decent shape, low km for the year, not rusty.. That is why I bought it. If the tranny suddenly went I could blame that on abuse or neglect. If the brakes or balljoints wear out that's understandable. The items I mentioned are not from abuse or neglect. It is from using CRAPPY components!!! End of story!

Don't play the abuse/neglect card just because you don't like that I have to say about Dodges. All you are doing is trying to deflect from the truth.

that_guy · Mar 17, 2016

Crappy components that lasted almost 15 years? You may as well be hillary clinton with all the crap you're spewing.

duramaxdodge · Mar 17, 2016

that_guy said:
Crappy components that lasted almost 15 years? You may as well be hillary clinton with all the crap you're spewing.

Yeah, and on a Japanese car those components would last 25+ years with over triple the mileage.

punisher1130 said:
I get irritated easily

I can tell because since I suggested that Dodge uses crappy parts you guys have called me a...

nutjob
idiot
dumb ass

Suggested that I was not a "MAN"

and that I was the biggest crappy component.

Clearly you resort to insults because you don't have anything solid to add to your argument. I have a word for that. "immature"

that_guy · Mar 17, 2016

duramaxdodge said:
Yeah, and on a Japanese car those components would last 25+ years with over triple the mileage.

Wow you guys must have something in the water up there in canukistan.

punisher1130 · Mar 17, 2016

If you read what I said properly, I said there are things related to previous owners and things you can blame the truck for, and I used examples from what you gave, guess I should have gone done a itemized list for you. Dodge is not the only ones that do this, I got brand new plastic window parts for a Chevy s10 blazer ( one example of what's in the drawer) sitting in my junk drawer only because I know they could be used else where and on different vehicles, some parts are actually interchangeable. For the statement on the windows, yes no one on earth pays attention to the windows till something goes back, I am guilty of it my self, but I wont blame the truck for it because that falls under the wear and tear title, materials within the system vary and that does include imports, but for the cold I cant say anything since it doesn't really get that cold where I am.

Automatic transmissions, yes dodge just sucks no avoiding that the record is there to show but that does not cover all trucks, if it did my truck should be dead in the water right now but yet it still runs like a top and all I did was change fluids.

For steering that's easy, there are many ways to bust that shaft and the u joints, good example is if it requires grease to operate right then its like u said, they didn't maintain it. Given the miles anything could have happened, neglect is neglect no matter how you slice it.

For Ford, well ford is ford there is no explaining them, only thing they still have going for them is their axles and yes ill agree with you on the housings that was really stupid on ford's part but Toyota and Honda are NOT the only one's with good set up for that.

If your going to play the experience card on me then you already shot your self in the foot, Honda and Ford are some the most common vehicles for repairs and you ought to know that since you claim to do this for 30 years, and no you don't have to work in different shops to figure that out.

that_guy is correct as well, not matter how good the body is, junk is junk you admitted you purposely do this so I am sure dodge is not the only one you have had issues with regardless of the troubles the vehicle has. True master mechanics know this and know how to spot and avoid them, hell all the ASE master techs I know wont even waist their time or money on something that bad.

duramaxdodge · Mar 17, 2016

that_guy said:
Wow you guys must have something in the water up there in canukistan.

Been driving old high mileage Japanese cars for decades. Never once had to change a steering shaft or a power window. No BS, that's the gospel truth.

that_guy · Mar 17, 2016

duramaxdodge said:
Been driving old high mileage Japanese cars for decades. Never once had to change a steering shaft or a power window. No BS, that's the gospel truth.

So you never replaced those parts. That doesn't mean those cars don't have any faults and it doesn't make everything else unreliable, crappy, etc.

duramaxdodge · Mar 17, 2016

punisher1130 said:
For steering that's easy, there are many ways to bust that shaft and the u joints, good example is if it requires grease to operate right then its like u said, they didn't maintain it. Given the miles anything could have happened, neglect is neglect no matter how you slice it.

How do you neglect a non serviceable part? I think the neglect is in the design. If you know about off roading you know what a suspension lift will do to a driveshaft. Well the steering shaft angle is like having a 10 inch lift.

Even this Ebay listing claims to have a "improved design" over stock.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/APDTY-53628...6287-Intermediate-Steering-Shaft-Improved-Design-No-More-Clunking-/231452906345

punisher1130 said:
For Ford, well ford is ford there is no explaining them

So I can bash Fords all day long as long as I keep quiet about Dodges? LOL

punisher1130 said:
If your going to play the experience card on me then you already shot your self in the foot

I thought I was digging a hole? How did I end up shooting myself in the foot? LOL

punisher1130 said:
Honda and Ford are some the most common vehicles for repairs and you ought to know that since you claim to do this for 30 years, and no you don't have to work in different shops to figure that out.

Well I can agree with the part about Ford..

punisher1130 said:
that_guy is correct as well, not matter how good the body is, junk is junk you admitted you purposely do this so I am sure dodge is not the only one you have had issues with regardless of the troubles the vehicle has. True master mechanics know this and know how to spot and avoid them, hell all the ASE master techs I know wont even waist their time or money on something that bad.

By avoid them you mean to avoid Dodge altogether? That would have been the best course of action. The issues I spoke of are not the issues of a one in a thousand "lemon" These are very common issues with these vehicles. Do I need to look through the archives to find you countless examples? I suppose all of them were abused or neglected? LMFAO!

hskrRT · Mar 17, 2016

duramaxdodge said:
How about the power window regulators? Those plastic snap in (or should I say snap off) pulleys are a joke. Who ever thought that would be a good material to hang the weight of a window from and stress it with cables in freezing temperatures while the window is partially frozen to the door frame? Are you gonna tell me they suddenly broke allowing the window to fall into the door in freezing temps (thanks Dodge) because the previous owner failed to remove the door panels and lubricate and inspect them? When should they have done this? It only had 135k on it. Should they be checked every 50k? 100k?
I have worked on cars for 30 years, I can spot a crappy component when I see one. These Dodges are full of them.

So you were stupid enough to try and roll your window down when they were frozen and are somehoe blaming the parts, and not the person who decided it was a good idea to try and use the power window switch with a frozen window? How long have you lived in an area where it gets below freezing? It's common knowledge here in my part of the country that if you park your car outside and there is any amount of moisture and freezing temps you DO NOT try and roll your windows down. Things break when you do that. As for plastic parts, every single car made in the past 30+ years with power windows has plastic parts. Not just Dodge.

duramaxdodge · Mar 17, 2016

that_guy said:
So you never replaced those parts. That doesn't mean those cars don't have any faults and it doesn't make everything else unreliable, crappy, etc.

I have replaced parts that are SUPPOSED to wear out, brakes, ball joints, tires, wheel bearings, rusty exhaust pipes, cv axles, ect.

hskrRT · Mar 17, 2016

And brakes and brake fluid is a serviceable item. If you NEVER change your brake fluid, then it can and will start to break down the rubber parts. That can be blamed on any owner, not the parts. But even then, as we talked about in the disc brake thread, the brakes on these trucks are under sized. Hard braking will cause them to heat and fade. Extra heat in the brakes transfers to fluid and brake lines further accelerating the break down of the lines. But, the you say your brakes are adequate and it's not worthwhile to upgrade them.

duramaxdodge · Mar 17, 2016

hskrRT said:
So you were stupid enough to try and roll your window down when they were frozen and are somehoe blaming the parts, and not the person who decided it was a good idea to try and use the power window switch with a frozen window? How long have you lived in an area where it gets below freezing? It's common knowledge here in my part of the country that if you park your car outside and there is any amount of moisture and freezing temps you DO NOT try and roll your windows down. Things break when you do that. As for plastic parts, every single car made in the past 30+ years with power windows has plastic parts. Not just Dodge.

By frozen I mean a small amount of ice buildup, something you could remove with a ice scraper. Never broke a power window on a import doing that. If it gets stuck it simply won't roll down. The circuit breaker makes sure of that. I guess the stress it sees before the circuit breaker kicks out is something that the components CAN handle. I have lived in a area where it can get to -40 all my life. I know what I'm talking about.

hskrRT · Mar 17, 2016

duramaxdodge said:
I have lived in a area where it can get to -40 all my life. I know what I'm talking about.

And yet you still tried to roll down your window when they were visibly frozen. SMH

duramaxdodge · Mar 17, 2016

hskrRT said:
And brakes and brake fluid is a serviceable item. If you NEVER change your brake fluid, then it can and will start to break down the rubber parts. That can be blamed on any owner, not the parts. But even then, as we talked about in the disc brake thread, the brakes on these trucks are under sized. Hard braking will cause them to heat and fade. Extra heat in the brakes transfers to fluid and brake lines further accelerating the break down of the lines. But, the you say your brakes are adequate and it's not worthwhile to upgrade them.

Ok, once again I'm gonna be perfectly honest here... I NEVER change brake fluid unless I need to service a wheel cylinder or something. Never had any issues from this sort of "neglect" Maybe these vehicles use cheaper seals that wear down easily and require constant fluid changes to keep them from screwing up. Before you start freaking out YES I know it is technically a item for regular service but it's also a bit overdone. It's not a race car, if the brakes work I just drive them until there is a issue. The cars I have owned have not given me nearly enough reason to think I need to bother with this.

duramaxdodge · Mar 17, 2016

hskrRT said:
And yet you still tried to roll down your window when they were visibly frozen. SMH

My bad, comes from driving superior vehicles I suppose.

Oh and btw, people do that here all the time... BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO CHOICE. We can't just wait until tomorrow when the sun comes out and melts everything. It's below freezing for MONTHS.

hskrRT · Mar 17, 2016

duramaxdodge said:
if the brakes work I just drive them until there is a issue.

That right there say a LOT about you and why any advice from you should be taken with a grain of salt.

Why wait until there is an issue? Especially with a system as important to your, and every else on the roads, safety? You neglect your brakes and they fail wy driving you put not only yourself, but all your passengers and everyone else on the road in danger.

duramaxdodge · Mar 17, 2016

hskrRT said:
That right there say a LOT about you and why any advice from you should be taken with a grain of salt.

Why wait until there is an issue? Especially with a system as important to your, and every else on the roads, safety? You neglect your brakes and they fail wy driving you put not only yourself, but all your passengers and everyone else on the road in danger.

Wow, that's a bit of stretching what I said isn't it? I guess I better look out for those runaway ramps! LMFAO

that_guy · Mar 17, 2016

duramaxdodge said:
I have replaced parts that are SUPPOSED to wear out, brakes, ball joints, tires, wheel bearings, rusty exhaust pipes, cv axles, ect.

duramaxdodge said:
By frozen I mean a small amount of ice buildup, something you could remove with a ice scraper. Never broke a power window on a import doing that. If it gets stuck it simply won't roll down. The circuit breaker makes sure of that. I guess the stress it sees before the circuit breaker kicks out is something that the components CAN handle. I have lived in a area where it can get to -40 all my life. I know what I'm talking about.

duramaxdodge said:
Ok, once again I'm gonna be perfectly honest here... I NEVER change brake fluid unless I need to service a wheel cylinder or something. Never had any issues from this sort of "neglect" Maybe these vehicles use cheaper seals that wear down easily and require constant fluid changes to keep them from screwing up. Before you start freaking out YES I know it is technically a item for regular service but it's also a bit overdone. It's not a race car, if the brakes work I just drive them until there is a issue. The cars I have owned have not given me nearly enough reason to think I need to bother with this.

duramaxdodge said:
My bad, comes from driving superior vehicles I suppose.

Oh and btw, people do that here all the time... BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO CHOICE. We can't just wait until tomorrow when the sun comes out and melts everything. It's below freezing for MONTHS.

duramaxdodge said:
Wow, that's a bit of stretching what I said isn't it? I guess I better look out for those runaway ramps! LMFAO

Wow, the more you talk the more stupid you make yourself look. I guess it just goes to show that just because you do something for 30 years, it doesn't mean you have any idea how to to it right.

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