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doing some reading about modding the Keg in the archives and came across the point that the Keg pulls heat from the valley thru the plenum cover and has no air gap or insulation like an M1. Since I have a Hughes cover to install in another week, and I've got a V6 so no chance for a real manifold, I'm thinking how to make the most of it. If I put the old cover under the new bottom cover and space it a 1/4" away, I have a heat shield for the price of some longer bolts. Is there a 1/2" of room under the cover? :D:blahblah:

Has anyone built a heat shield for their Kegger? If so, how did you do it? :huh:
 
Don't worry too much about it. Cut each of the runners back about 2" and blend the edges in, use the hughes pan and be done with it. If you are really that worried, then rig up a small shot of nitrous on a spray bar inside the manifold along the center and just spray it all the time.:banana2:
 
im also about to port my stock kegger. unfortunately us v6 guys dont have anyother options on intakes. im gonna bore the throttle bores open to 50mm, shorten the runners, and smooth out all of the runners. im not sure on how much to shorten the runners, but 2 inches is WAY too much.
 
Discussion starter · #7 ·
00Blue agreed on the 2"

I already have a Hughes V6 throttle body. They cleaned it up nice and it did make a difference when I put it on. I bought a burr for aluminum for my die grinder but I don't want to loose torque. The Hughes modded keg is for max HP & rpm, but I believe at the expence of torque. So, all I plan to do is clean and match. I was looking for the thread about building a turtle, the white Dak with separate hood/grill did one, I think but couldn't find the thread.

Wish I could put a bottle of V8 juice down the TB and get a 5.9...:funny:
 
check this thread:

http://www.dodgetrucks.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=57167&highlight=

Look at MPIMikes posts. Best analysis on this subject I've ever seen. I know you have a V6, but all the same rules should apply...

Ok, here's some specs on different cubic inch/res freq/pk tq . It's an approximation, of course. Hank L gave me the formulas, I did the measurements....

Cubic Inch Resonant Frequency Peak TQ
318 stock 3200-3600rpm 4400rpm
cut runners 3400-4000rpm 4400rpm
cut/ported 3400-4000rpm 6200rpm

360 stock 3200-3600rpm 3900rpm
cut runners 3400-4000rpm 3900rpm
ported 3200-3600rpm 5500rpm
cut/ported 3400-4000rpm 5500rpm

408 stock 3200-3600rpm 3450rpm
cut runners 3400-4000rpm 3450rpm
cut/ported 3400-4000rpm 4800rpm
ported 3200-3600rpm 4800 rpm

so you can see that cutting and porting a manifold for the 318 puts the resfreq and pktq way out of phase. So for the 318, I recommend a mild cut on the runners ONLY. The best bet for matched up performance on a 360 is to just cut the runners all the way down...on a 408, you could get away with cutting and porting since it has huge CI, and stroke to make up for the mis-matched resfreq and pktq. So, Hank, if you want to check my math...
318 =39.75 CI per cyl
360 =45 CI per cyl
408 =51 CI per cyl
manifold plenum vol is approx 425 CI
stock runner vol is approx 31 CI
cut runner vol is approx 25 CI

res freq is where the pulses of intake air takes on "inertial supercharging" effect
Peak TQ is where the manifold vol, and runner vol/length fill the cyl the best...depending on CI of the cyl.



1. Longer runners provide better low-rpm power because the cyl fills better.
2. the huge plenum provides excellent throttle response in smaller C.I. engines (along with a bigger TB) because there is more available air at that moment(before it has to pull it through the TB)
3. 318's tend to have a higher powerband with the kegger anyway simply due to runner volume vs. cyl volume, so an M1 would basically put the powerband so high it becomes nearly un-useable for good low-end TQ.
4. Auto-tranny trucks like fully- modded kegger. (dont know why...)
 
I already have a Hughes V6 throttle body. They cleaned it up nice and it did make a difference when I put it on. I bought a burr for aluminum for my die grinder but I don't want to loose torque. The Hughes modded keg is for max HP & rpm, but I believe at the expence of torque. So, all I plan to do is clean and match. I was looking for the thread about building a turtle, the white Dak with separate hood/grill did one, I think but couldn't find the thread.

Wish I could put a bottle of V8 juice down the TB and get a 5.9...:funny:
You won't "lose" any noticeable torque by cutting the runners on your stock beer barrel intake. But you will move the peak hp and torque up in the powerband which isn't a bad thing if you are WOT. If going WOT, most of my shifts never drop the RPMs below 3K anyways, which is where you would "lose" any torque you may be worried about.
 
you know i saw a v6 m1, it didn't have injector bungs so i don't know what the deal was, it said mopar performance on the top so i don't know but i just remember it was a single plain v6 manifold
 
I already have a Hughes V6 throttle body. They cleaned it up nice and it did make a difference when I put it on. I bought a burr for aluminum for my die grinder but I don't want to loose torque. The Hughes modded keg is for max HP & rpm, but I believe at the expence of torque. So, all I plan to do is clean and match. I was looking for the thread about building a turtle, the white Dak with separate hood/grill did one, I think but couldn't find the thread.

Wish I could put a bottle of V8 juice down the TB and get a 5.9...:funny:
Here ya go! Enjoy!! http://www.dakota-durango.com/forum/showthread.php?t=52640
 
you know i saw a v6 m1, it didn't have injector bungs so i don't know what the deal was, it said mopar performance on the top so i don't know but i just remember it was a single plain v6 manifold
if you ever see one again, pick it up, there's like 10 of them in existence, and they are damn near impossible to find
 
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Wow...Thanks..!!!!

Thanks msn.. the runner length data sure confirmed what I want to do. Clean and no heavy cutting. I don't want a 2.5 ton ricer, and I like to let the clutch out and have it pull like a tractor. If the clean and press gets a few more rpm at the top, I won't complain.

As to the turtle, it sounds like it wouldn't help much with my engine. :huh: or did I miss something? Like all of us I'm looking for milage and performance out of my daily driver.

Thanks for digging up the posts for me.
 
Thanks msn.. the runner length data sure confirmed what I want to do. Clean and no heavy cutting. I don't want a 2.5 ton ricer, and I like to let the clutch out and have it pull like a tractor. If the clean and press gets a few more rpm at the top, I won't complain.

As to the turtle, it sounds like it wouldn't help much with my engine. :huh: or did I miss something? Like all of us I'm looking for milage and performance out of my daily driver.

Thanks for digging up the posts for me.
My daily driver is getting 16.5/18.5 and plenty of preformance but it's your decision. I just supplied the info. Good luck!
 
Thanks msn.. the runner length data sure confirmed what I want to do. Clean and no heavy cutting. I don't want a 2.5 ton ricer, and I like to let the clutch out and have it pull like a tractor.
What does this mean??

As to the turtle, it sounds like it wouldn't help much with my engine. :huh: or did I miss something? Like all of us I'm looking for milage and performance out of my daily driver.
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Huh? Whered you come up with this conclusion?
 
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