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Darkside34

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So I just purchased and installed a 16 inch summit e fan on my 5.2l durango.

I have it powered by the accessory 20 amp fuse in the fuse box the the durango, It supposedly draws 13.6 amps so that isn't a problem.

It is rated for 2100 cfm which, from what I have heard on this and other forums, is plenty enough for a 95* F environment.

Once it gets heated up it generally runs at 200* at 60mph, about 215 at 45mph, and about 230 when idling (I collected these numbers when it was 94 degrees F). I have come to the realization that I really don't know what is a dangerous operating temp or not. Back in the olden days with the clutch fan, It was below 210 as long as you were moving. However in 100 degree temps if you stopped moving, It would quickly get up towards 220.


Anyways, today I went to visit my girlfriend at work. While I was driving through the parking lot It was at about 210. I stopped and parked, and just for the sake of testing put it on full blast A/C and let it idle for a few minutes. It quickly got up to 210 and then 220. At 220 I turned the A/C off, let it sit till It got to 210 and then turned off the motor and walked inside. I forgot my cell phone in the truck and immediately turned around to get it. Stick my key in to check the temp, and it was at 250! First thing I thought was a lack of water, there wasn't much in the reserve water tank. I popped the cap off the radiator and there was definitely water (and a lot of pressure) in there (thank god I was smart and used a towel to open it.


Now I'm pretty sure I'm running about a 30/70 ratio of antifreeze/purified water. I suppose the simplest solution would be to put in some actual coolant (ive heard royal purple liquid ice works well). But my real question is: will that be enough, and do you guys think that there is some other problem with the coolant system? I know trucks generally heat up 20 degrees when you turn em off, but 250 is a scary number.


But that Is a temporary solution at best, I need to get a larger fan, or 2 smaller ones. The CFM on this fan is supposedly ok for what I am running, but its tiny, and is probably only capable of cooling 60% of the radiator at best (as that is how much of the space it takes up).
 
If I'm not mistaken, it's normal for the coolant to heat up when you turn the engine off. The coolant is no longer flowing and being cooled by the radiator and fan. It just sits in the block and gets heated up by the hot metal. I'd bet it you left it running for a minute it would have cooled back down in a hurry.
 
yeah, either way, it sounds like you are running warm even when moving. I'd wager your radiator is beginning to clog up. It's a pretty easy job to do by yourself if that is the problem. I did it a couple weeks ago because I was overheating.
 
60% coverage is poor considering the fan pulls 2100 CFM. If the fan pulled more air, then it would be barely acceptable. 100% coverage is optimal, 90% is great, and 80% is good.

As for the temps--it's running warm, but it's not running hot (yet). There's nothing wrong with it running at 220, and higher temperatures (like 250) won't kill the engine since it was at 210 when you shut it off. If the engine is running and you see it's running at 250, then it's time to take action to cool it down.

Your coolant mixture is good, as long as you're running ethylene glycol, and not propylene glycol. Make sure the system is burped of water, and be sure the coolant overflow is at the proper level when cold.
 
Your problem seems backwards of a plugged radiator condition. Typically a plugged radiator will cause the engine to run hotter while the vehicle is in motion or when the engine is under a load adn the harder you push it the hotter it gets. Yours is staying colder the faster you go. Things I would be checking first is to make sure that you don't have any obstructions in front of the radiator, then check the t-stat adn last but not least check the water pump for flow.

Do you have anything mounted up in front of the radiator like lights or a different grill or something like that??
 
oh, I somehow missed the part about him having just a small aftermarket fan. What did he say his normal temps are when moving? 210? Shouldn't a healthy cooling system be able to keep it closer to 195 when it's moving?
 
oh, I somehow missed the part about him having just a small aftermarket fan. What did he say his normal temps are when moving? 210? Shouldn't a healthy cooling system be able to keep it closer to 195 when it's moving?
Correct. I'm thinking he may have the fan direction reversed and it's operating as a pusher instead of a puller. :huh:
 
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Correct. I'm thinking he may have the fan direction reversed and it's operating as a pusher instead of a puller. :huh:
I actually did at first, but I caught that.....


I think the problem is, the fan is just to small. The radiator has a 21x21 surface area and the fan is 16" in diameter. I don't think this is enough.


My biggest fuss right now is that I'm having trouble finding an affordable fan that is in the 20" neighborhood : /.

hemidak said:
60% coverage is poor considering the fan pulls 2100 CFM. If the fan pulled more air, then it would be barely acceptable. 100% coverage is optimal, 90% is great, and 80% is good.

As for the temps--it's running warm, but it's not running hot (yet). There's nothing wrong with it running at 220, and higher temperatures (like 250) won't kill the engine since it was at 210 when you shut it off. If the engine is running and you see it's running at 250, then it's time to take action to cool it down.
So is it relatively safe to run at these temps till I can afford to get it fixed? (Its going to be a while, but by the time I can afford it its going to cool down anyway).


Oh, and also, I'm running an after market fan controller with a radiator probe set to come on at ~180.
 
My stock e-fan is enough to keep my slightly pluggeg radiator at under 210 sitting still when it's 95, are you sure everything is hooked up right with the fan? Although it shouldn't be getting warmer at 45, that's when my truck starts to cool down if I go from 55 down to 45 or less.

Are you sure your fan is working? Is it sealed up tight against the radiator? IDK though like someone else said seems weird it goes up when you slow down, the fan still wouldn't be doing anything at 45 so I don't think it is your only problem.
 
A stock e-fan is 12" dia and you have a 16" fan so that should not be an issue. What temp do you have your controller set for the fan to come on? With a 180* stat, you should have it set to come on at 185-190*. If you have it set higher than that, you're allowing to much heat to build up before the fan comes on and the fan is having a hard time bring the heat back down.

EDIT: Oh yeah! The fan should be pulling the air to the inside across the radiator from the outside.
 
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I'm positive the fan is spinning in the right direction.

I'm thinking that I need to flush the radiator first of all, and hope that is the problem.

But then again I've been driving around in traffic all day today and didn't see 210 once : /.
 
Use the Grand Cherokee fan everyone is having alot of success with. Have to fab up some mounts but seems like the way to go. Thats what I'm going to put into mine here very shortly
 
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The coolant system hasn't been burped in a while, and I'm starting to think the water level is fairly low.


Im tempted to rename the thread to "sporadic" overheating issues, because there is no pattern to it at all.


Today I was driving around town, dropped of the girl to get her college transcripts and sat outside for 7 minutes with the AC on full blast. Didn't get any hotter than 215. Cool right? Now I went to visit a friend who just got a job at a Honda dealership, parked in the lot with the engine at 210, came back and it was about 150. Get in, start driving towards the bank, driving about 45 and it stays cool. I stop at a really long stop light and it gets up to about 240 really fast, turn the AC off and the heater on and the needle doesn't move at all.

At 250 it usually dumps coolant back into the reserve tank and overflows, and while we were pulling into the bank it got that hot (was on the white line before 260) but nothing dumped. I know the coolant levels were O.K. Yesterday, but they may be low today since I did take the cap off to check the level yesterday (and lost a bit in the process).


So assuming they aren't low and there isn't any/much air in the system, whats the next step? Flush the radiator I assume, but If that is in working order....what else? Water pump? I may just need a bigger fan, but Ive heard so many stories of people running the stock Durango fan without the clutch fan in hot weather and being just fine, and this fan definitely outperforms that one.


A bigger fan is definitely going to happen, I just cant afford it atm, and would rather not put the clutch fan back on, but if thats what needs to happen then I guess I have not choice.
 
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Ok, I just went to the corner store and bought 2 jugs of ozarka. By the time I was done burping the lines and filling the reserve tank, the latter empty and the former low, I had used half of one and all of the other.


Needless to say there were LOTS of bubbles, for like 15 minutes. I didn't do it with the engine completely cool.....but I at least accomplished something. Ill do it again tomorrow when its been cool for a night.
 
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