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Gary your ignorance is getting the best of you.

The 5.9L & 5.2L are both TBI... thats throttle body injection... this means that both AIR + FUEL pass through the throttle body... very similar to a carburetor.

Since both AIR + FUEL pass through the spacer it can have an effect on performance.

BUT on a MPFI engine only AIR passes through the spacer... the fuel is not introduced until the end of the intake runner or just prior to the throttle body... This is why a spacer has ZERO effect on a MPFI engine.

Ill be happy to drive you to school any day... Ill even drive the short bus with an elevator lift to accommodate you!

SPEED SAFE, NICK
your straight ignorant.

the 5.2/5.9l are mpi. and if you ever done research youd have learned the tb spacers do not work on those motors but they actually do help a lil bit on the 4.7l since it has a more effecint manifold

but hey dont believe me im just as quick as you w/ 1/ the mods. yes 300lbs lighter but your gears more then make up for that
 
And the 03-07 intakes are a good performing intake... so you will be pleased with it. The 2008 is better but its down side is that adapter plates are needed in order to use it on a 1999-2007 4.7L...unfortunately this drives up the cost out of range of many potential customers. I wish we could pay less so we could charge less... but I cant afford to give them away for a loss.

Either way, the 2003-2007 intake is an upgrade to any 1999-2002 4.7L.

SPEED SAFE, NICK
if you really arent marking up insanely and want to sell them cheaper send a set to nitro dave in waco and he will cnc copy them for $50 a piece and then you could sell them for under $200 like they should instead just puting and insane markup on something cause noone else makes it
 
I never said anything you have said above... and I never stole anything from KRC...

I did business with CRANE... they told us what they could do and we had them do it... If you have a problem with that then address them on it.

And you had NOTHING to do with the Circle D 4.7L converter... its the same one used on the 5.7L with more stall... It was already designed... perhaps they let you test one... but you did NOT design it, you had no input on the specs, you did NOT pay for R&D, you had nothing on the line as far as investments go nor did you make a large pre-order to secure the deal... So stop stroking yourself in public... its kinda gay!



NICK
um krc designed those specs and you knew. you bashed the krc cams every post you made. but then put the same specs on your site as " air ram performance cams" cause you found out you could just call crane and have them ground to krc spec. sounds like stealling to me

my having circled make 4.7l convertors is a joke and poke at you for saying you had all the companys build cause you had them build though the parts where allready out

and no chris speced this tc out for my truck and per my dyno sheet and i am the first 4.7l w/ a circle d and chris was the 2nd. now you can call circle d and get one for your 4.7l so yes i did help get them motivated to looking at us
 
Try reading the full quote JACK ASS...I mean Jack Arse. He states "If I didnt have my ram then yes my dakota would be more modded then what it is. I have thought about it. If I built a fast 4.7 it would be 218 cams, killian heads, hemifever tune, 3000 tc, 4.10 gears & tru track, 100 shot & drop some weight."

Does this sound like a low rpm combo to you? Being that you are the stall guru I figure you would know that 3000rpm is quite high! By the way who are the "true 4.7 pioneers?" The one that sold his outfit, had a horrible reputation, and hasn't produce their "magical" $1500 cams yet.
 
hey sack rider i never said anything bout garys combos

but here you go on your hgh rpm single plain...

nick had 4.56 gears, 2800 stall and 212cams w/ heads. not a lowend combo
ran 14.99 w/ 02 ho manifold

swaped to sulli and ran 15.2x because loss of tq

so what was your point about high rpm combos?

your right though i know nothing and my combo doesnt work

15.11 w/ only 206cams,04mani,muffler,intake and hemifever/sct can tune.
stock tc stock tranny stock heads stock 3.55s

since i added dual 2.25 catless ive had nothing but traction issues and still mustered a 15.2x in good weather

and since tc ive still only mustered a 15.2x in horible weather and no traction at all

nick spent years chasing what he thinks is a record and all ive done is buy what i can and im just as quick oh but i wiegh 300lbs less, you think his heads,bigger cams, 4.56posi, stage 3 tranny,pulley, headers and now awesome mani and his other speed tricks makes up for the wieght?

nicks a dumbass plain and simple he sells parts he has no clue on
all us "kids" have gone faster or as fast as him w/ fewer mods cause we listen to people that actualy build shit.

fucks sake he doesnt even know the magnums are all mpi and he has the t/bs on his website. he used t sell h/o cams listed for " the allnew dohc 4.7l".
he puts hella markup on everuthing and untill you show him a site where they are cheaperhe wont drop the price hince the $150-200 markup on the adapters. hince why i bought h/o cams from the same dealership he got them from for $230 and he sold them for like $350. i could go on and on but there will allways be sack riders and people that dont see him for who he truely is and keep buying from him. you can get everything he sells for the same price if not cheaper at moesperformance.com.
 
Jack ASS has all the answers... But yest does not know a thing.

Go back and do some homework... you just laid out all your cards proving your LACK of common knowledge... LOL

Do some research on the 5.2L & 5.9L... you may learn something about TBI and the 5.9 & 5.2L.... Or perhaps you wont... but its fair to say the 5.9L was TBI throughout the 1990's. Just after they went away from carburetors.

We stole nothing from KRC, I called CRANE and asked them what they could do. We never even spoke about KRC to CRANE... We called and they sent us 20 cam specs to chose from.

You have always tried to pit us against somone else because your where to ignorant to go toe to toe with us on your own. Your not as great as you would like everyone to think you are. You talk crap all the time, you flame board members who KINDLY disagree with you or even have a different thought from you. Your exactly what you call yourself... a JACK ASS... not to be confused with SMART ASS because we know your not one of those.

As for the SHEET METAL intake that KRC made... that statement clearly shows your lack of knowledge and theory of operation on intakes and basic air flow...There is reason the KRC sheet metal intake fell on its face... Do some research and learn why. And not to take away from KRC... I think its cool that they built it. But it was built with inherent limitations and Marty knew this or should have known it.

The Sullivan is 100x different in design all the way to the runner lengths to the port design & shape & cunstruction... The KRC sheet metal intake only proved what 30 years of Hot Rodding has already taught us. The Sullivan is NOT the same and will run circles around the KRC Sheet metal intake EVERYWHERE. The Sullivan also cost less then the Sheet metal intake you speak of.

There is very little mark up on our products. Anyone who passed math in the 2nd grade should be able to understand that.... If you like you can use your fingers and toes to help you out.

Jack ASS you do qualify ad a boneafide --- DE DA DEE

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Back to the subject -

If you get the ASP just make sure it has the two IDs inside of the hub... Make sure you torque it all the way on to insure it clamps and compresses the Crank Timing drive sprocket.

Sorry for being defensive here... my intentions where just to point out a few points and offer better solutions. But when there is mis information being passed around by the same people who have been doing it for years I will do my best to clear it up.

Im done feeding the trolls...

KRS... I understand your point and I was not trying to argue with you. I was just trying to inform you of your options and the difference between them. As long as you get the modified ASP pulley it will work.

I have always associated you with performance, so I thought I was helping you at first... My intention was not to get into a big flame over it. So I do apologize if my participation in your tread, my goal was to inform and help you make an informed decision... at this point we would have to assume you will be making an informed decision and siding with the ASP based on that info. Its all good and I wish you the best with it.

If there are any questions please feel free to contact me.

SPEED SAFE, NICK
 
Google may be wrong, but the sites I saw show the Magnum motors as being TBI from 88-91, yet the spacers on your site are listed for 94-01.
Just an observation....
 
hey sack rider i never said anything bout garys combos

but here you go on your hgh rpm single plain...

nick had 4.56 gears, 2800 stall and 212cams w/ heads. not a lowend combo
ran 14.99 w/ 02 ho manifold

swaped to sulli and ran 15.2x because loss of tq
No Thats not what happened... LOL You will twist anything as long as you can make it fit your lie's...

Performance was slipping long before the Sullivan intake. You forget to mention that my engine had 125,000 WOT miles by the time the Sullivan intake was installed. The truck was already running slower then it had in the past... The top end is what we going out on it... The bottom end seemed to run the same. The best 60fts with the H/O intake recorded was a 1.99.... But after years of running and bad tunes the best it would run was 2.24's...

The 2008 Intake went on first... And performance picked up a bit. But the 60ft times where still 2.24's...

The Sullivan had the same 60ft times as the 2008 intake.... 2.24's.... So its safe to say that the LOW END TORQUE which is everything in the first 60 feet was not lost.

so what was your point about high rpm combos?

your right though i know nothing and my combo doesnt work
Finally you speak some truth!

15.11 w/ only 206cams,04mani,muffler,intake and hemifever/sct can tune.

stock tc stock tranny stock heads stock 3.55s

since i added dual 2.25 catless ive had nothing but traction issues and still mustered a 15.2x in good weather

and since tc ive still only mustered a 15.2x in horible weather and no traction at all
And you will make all the excuses in the world why you still have not yet run a 14.99 <--- LOL... Thats one thing you have ALWAYS been good for... making excuses why your the best but have never run better then anyone.

nick spent years chasing what he thinks is a record and all ive done is buy what i can and im just as quick oh but i wiegh 300lbs less, you think his heads,bigger cams, 4.56posi, stage 3 tranny,pulley, headers and now awesome mani and his other speed tricks makes up for the wieght?
Well your wrong again... I spent years saving money so I could bring new parts to the 4.7L community. You where chasing a record... I was just trying to test new parts that increase performance.

Most my money has gone into R&D of new parts for the 4.7L engine... Less then a fraction of that has actually gone into my own engine since most my funds where tied up in manufactures. While you where chasing dreams I was doing the home work to making them come true... yet your too ignorant to see that.


nicks a dumbass plain and simple he sells parts he has no clue on all us "kids" have gone faster or as fast as him w/ fewer mods cause we listen to people that actualy build shit.
I do not remember you EVER going faster then anyone... well perhaps your mouth but other then that your truck is still slower.

fucks sake he doesnt even know the magnums are all mpi and he has the t/bs on his website. he used t sell h/o cams listed for " the allnew dohc 4.7l".
LOL.. I think we covered this... Your an idiot, you should research before you open your childish mouth.


he puts hella markup on everuthing and untill you show him a site where they are cheaperhe wont drop the price hince the $150-200 markup on the adapters. hince why i bought h/o cams from the same dealership he got them from for $230 and he sold them for like $350. i could go on and on but there will allways be sack riders and people that dont see him for who he truely is and keep buying from him. you can get everything he sells for the same price if not cheaper at moesperformance.com.
Our prices are lower then ANYONE ELSE... We have over 5,000 parts listed so its nearly impossible to follow every site to see what their individual price is on every singe part. So yes at times our prices become out dated... This does not mean we are unwilling to adjust them. Many times our suppliers will work with us at getting us a better price so we can list a better price.

If a site offers a better price then us, I just send my supplier an e-mail asking then to lower our price so we can match that price... Its simple and we do it all the time.

When you grow up perhaps you may run into a business scenario and understand how its done... but I doubt you ever will... Your what is known as a FOLLOWER with a big mouth.

SPEED SAFE, NICK
 
nick have you ever owned or worked on a magnum? iven owned a magnum and know for 100% positivity that they are mpi. the la blocks from the late 80s-91 where tbi but they arent fucking magnums and the tbs and spacers are for the fucking magnum fucking google it dumbfuck ive been around a lil while.

yeah ok crane sent you some specs. are your saying that your to dumb to relize they where all the same specs that you bashed for years? you just happen to put the different lobe combos together that exactly matched krc?

i never once chased a record look at all my post and they same the same thing "i want a quick dd". your the one who thought 14.99 was a record. never said i was faster then anyone but looks like now im faster then you. i made a bullshit bpu only and cam only record to poke at you and your "record"

wow 128k miles? im siting at 150k and my truck is runing the same times now as it did a year ago only difference is way way less traction. i know what to do to make it hook but i dont care and have the parts for a year now just dont care.

and all w/ a 04 mani

what parts have you truely invented or r&ded nick?
 
I think i had a great combo in my quad cab. My next mod was going to be an underdrive pulley. More then likely it would have been an ati pulley.
 
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Be careful. Nick keeps calling the cams that were in his old motor the 212X profile but they are the OLD 212 cam. The 212X is 212/212, while the cams in Nicks truck (well, were in his truck) are 212/218. Might not sound like a big deal but the 212X is a superior grind, and produces better low end than the 212/218 grind. I'm sure Nick doesn't mean to misrepresent what he's selling but it's important to note the difference.

I had a set of 212Xs for my '02 Jeep, I opted to sell them because I saw what kind of performance Richie (scjeep4.7ho) had with em and didn't seem to be all that impressive on his HO motor with a supercharger, let alone my non-HO 4.7 with 31's and a small lift. In your RC Dakota (is yours auto or 5 spd???), depending on gearing they could very well work, but after careful analysis they would have been too much for me (4400-4600 lbs, 29-31" tire, 545rfe with 3.73s), and definitely too much now that I run a 08 manifold. The 08 manifold shifts the entire power curve up....I now make peak HP at 5000 rpm, even with STOCK cams.

Theres no denying that the bigger cams make big power....it's where that is the issue.
I created another thread so im not thread jacking this post.

http://www.dakota-durango.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2462095#post2462095
 
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I have not read past post #69 yet. So this in response to this

Airram, I understand your intentions are to help out. Just the little comments your through in your posts I take and Im sure others take it as an insult. Like when you felt inclined to tell us "you can lead a horse to water, but cant make him drink". Or we are ignorant about a mod. Really upsets me since I have given you business in the past. However, they dont bother me to a point. But being disrepected as a past customer is where I draw the line. If you just stated the two differences and it let it be, it would of been different. This is very unprofessional business practice in my book. Im just letting you be aware that I wont be purchasing from you or recommend you to anyone. You will have to regain my business in the future if you want it.
 
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Spring. It brings out emotions.

In addition. Besides underdrive pulley and removing fan is there anything else I can do to reduce load on engine (do not suggest damper, I got that point already)?
 
This thread reminds me of this: http://www.dakota-durango.com/forum/showthread.php?t=113692

It seems to be a recurring theme with this guy...:spankme::lame:

Its the same SMALL group of kids that are accociated with our competetors and they have and always have had a clear agenda... They have been attacking us for years on several other forums and honestly although they say crap like that... the fact is they have never done business with us. They always find ways to attack and bash us but when we respond to them they say "Thats why I will never do business with you" when they are clearly in bed with another vendor... They say we ask for it but the fact is 9 times out of ten I just reply to their bashing in defense.... and yes I do throw a jab now and then.

Im not saying I have not stepped on a few toes... but thats life and we all do it now and then. As far as this tread goes, I was offering options and advice... and it was good advice. What people do with it is up to them.

Non the less, we are one of a very few vendors who actualy particapate on the forums... so you will see these biases attackers take aim more often at us since we do particapate.

Its all good... Perhaps one day they will grow up... but I would not put money on it.

Bless your lil heart Nick. Must suck not ever bein able to get some seeing as how your a douche & all. I can see from your actions you are frustrated in a certain department hahaha
And heres one of them... :wave:

SPEED SAFE, NICK
 
Here you go nick

i was an avid supporter of air ram, the original crew of 4.7's rams can attest that i defended you all the time.

that being said, you know just as well as i do that you're robbing people. You claim you won't sell a part that "doesnt work". Theres throttle body spacers, jet stream scoops, and power wires on your site.

When i said i was going on the bottle, you bashed me to kingdom come and made comments like "check the post of nitrous pooling and the intake exploding", like i was the ignorant one. You claimed the engine would never take a 75 shot. It took 125 shots and larger, repeatedly. When I proved the 4.7 could take nitrous and my times N/A beat yours, then destroyed them on spray, you were all on board.


You have a habit of talking down to people which is kind of ironic because your at the bottom of the totem pole.

My truck as it stood, has the fastest time on nitrous and equal to yours N/A. Not a single performance part save for spark plugs, and a wideband dyno were from AirRam. I didn't enjoy your "sales" that were equal to another well known site's everyday prices.

If you want to bash me, feel free, just remember its hard to care what some one says when they claim to be the most knowledgeable and guru of 4.7's yet can't seem get out of the 15's with ton's of money and useless "projects" thrown at it.

Funny, my "stupid" plan of nitrous, horrible choice in gearing, trash cams, poor man ******* heads still beat your time by almost a full second even with your stage 3 tranny, wonderful h/o cams forged in the fires of hell and cooled by god himself, your over priced heads, and such.


and in response to your latest post, i WAS an avid customer, but TRASHED the parts when i realized i was scammed. You're right, no other vendor's talk on forums much because they don't need to spend their time defending themselves. Moe's has never fucked me over. Bob has never down right insulted his consumer base. Your advice is not always good, and when proven wrong you try and talk your way out of it. The minority that isn't on your nuts gets called "kids" and "immature" when you fly off at the handle when some one points out the stupid shit you say.





tl;dr= you're a douche and your arrogance doesn't trump the fact you're robbing lesser informed guys of money. be honest with yourself and make something that works and is actually WANTED by the community before you get on your high horse.
 
Spring. It brings out emotions.

In addition. Besides underdrive pulley and removing fan is there anything else I can do to reduce load on engine (do not suggest damper, I got that point already)?
Since everyone else is more interested in flaming I will take a stab at that for you...

Gears would be the best single mod hands down... but the most expensive so its not always do able. I recomend this be the first mod on your list. Fix the factory gearing... its wrong from the factory.

Torque converter will allow your engine to rev quicker to a specific RPM at WOT. 2800-3000 seem to work well with the 545RFE transmissions.

You have the E-Fan - 10RWHP

A good Cold Air Intake - 10-12RWHP

The under drive has already been mentioned - 8-10RWHP

Lighter rims and lossing weight in general will make you quicker off the line.

They all add up... so each small mod you do becomes part of the total combo...

There are several other mods you can do to help you run faster... but the ones above will effect how the engine revs under load.

NICK
 
Here you go nick

i was an avid supporter of air ram, the original crew of 4.7's rams can attest that i defended you all the time.

that being said, you know just as well as i do that you're robbing people. You claim you won't sell a part that "doesnt work". Theres throttle body spacers, jet stream scoops, and power wires on your site.

When i said i was going on the bottle, you bashed me to kingdom come and made comments like "check the post of nitrous pooling and the intake exploding", like i was the ignorant one. You claimed the engine would never take a 75 shot. It took 125 shots and larger, repeatedly. When I proved the 4.7 could take nitrous and my times N/A beat yours, then destroyed them on spray, you were all on board.


You have a habit of talking down to people which is kind of ironic because your at the bottom of the totem pole.

My truck as it stood, has the fastest time on nitrous and equal to yours N/A. Not a single performance part save for spark plugs, and a wideband dyno were from AirRam. I didn't enjoy your "sales" that were equal to another well known site's everyday prices.

If you want to bash me, feel free, just remember its hard to care what some one says when they claim to be the most knowledgeable and guru of 4.7's yet can't seem get out of the 15's with ton's of money and useless "projects" thrown at it.

Funny, my "stupid" plan of nitrous, horrible choice in gearing, trash cams, poor man ******* heads still beat your time by almost a full second even with your stage 3 tranny, wonderful h/o cams forged in the fires of hell and cooled by god himself, your over priced heads, and such.


and in response to your latest post, i WAS an avid customer, but TRASHED the parts when i realized i was scammed. You're right, no other vendor's talk on forums much because they don't need to spend their time defending themselves. Moe's has never fucked me over. Bob has never down right insulted his consumer base. Your advice is not always good, and when proven wrong you try and talk your way out of it. The minority that isn't on your nuts gets called "kids" and "immature" when you fly off at the handle when some one points out the stupid shit you say.





tl;dr= you're a douche and your arrogance doesn't trump the fact you're robbing lesser informed guys of money. be honest with yourself and make something that works and is actually WANTED by the community before you get on your high horse.
First of all I have never been on the "Pooling" issue band wagon that everyone tends to blame for back fires... I have always said the Nitrouse back fires where caused from running too lean at WOT... And any advice I gave to you was to get a Wide band Data logger for anything above a 75 shot ... I have NEVER flamed anyone for going to nitrouse either.

I have and continue to advise customers that if they do not run a WIDE BAND DATA LOGGER then they should NOT go over 75 shot... So its clear you misunderstood what I was saying at the time.

My advice at that time to you would have been to this effect: If you plan to run over 100 shot then you should make sure your AFRs are dead nuts perfect.... The 4.7L pistons will NOT be forgiving to a lean condition... and this has ALWAYS been my advice. So where you had this conversation with me, you mis understood.

Glad to see its holding together.

NICK
 
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