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You think that's a na viper motor to the max? LoL. That's a modest motor. Don't forget those motors are nothing but 5.9 360s with two extra cylinders. It's a pushrod motor, not a lambo motor.
 
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WHAT! i dont know much about viper motors BUT i think they are WAY different than a 5.9. the 4.3 chevy is the same as a 5.7 with 2 cylinders... the dodge v-10 is way different than the 5.9... atleast it looks different.

also, i do think its maxed out. why would they limit to 640 hp in a race car like that? i understand there are rules but you think its really limited to 640? not 650? when you invest the money and time they have just in that video into a motor, you are going for max power. its not like its built to run on pump gas and be street friendly. i want to see a n/a viper with more power, i dont think you will find it. oh, and thats 640hp to the crank!! im pretty sure you can get that out of a 5.9...

not trying to start a piss match. if someone can prove me wrong please do so, so i can enjoy a v-10 and not be disapointed.
 
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640hp n/a for a car that's designed to go balls out for extended periods of time is pretty impressive, imo. Sure, you can get more power out of it, but they're building it to be reliable for road racing.
 
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Maybe because it's made to be a TRACK car not a STRIP car?? Since when in the hell is 640hp low on power? How can you freakin' complain about that? Sure if they came out and said we maxed this car out in hp and only got 640 that would be different, but how many cars make more then 640hp from the factory? And how are you not impressed with the V10? People make over 1500hp on boost with that engine, but I guess it takes more then that to impress you.
 
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That's designed to make that same power for a full 24 hours like at Lemans or Daytona type of road racing. 1,000 hp doesn't do them any good if it only goes 23 hours in a 24 hour race. That and the fact that it IS a factory supplied car you buy that's ready to go racing. I'm sure there are also cost concerns related to producing them vs being somewhat affordable as well. (not that I could afford one) LOL
 
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your right it does. 1500hp out of a boosted v-10 is good but they make that power out of inline 6s.

they make 850hp nascar engines that run over 10krpm for a full day... i think 640 is not an excuse for reliability.

if someone on the forums made that power out of a v-10 i would say HEY BADASS DUDE! your making over 550hp to the wheels! sweet! BUT since this is a chrysler guy who has been building these motors for 29 years!!! and all he can squeeze out of a v-10 is 140 more hp over stock? really?

http://www.streetfire.net/video/comp-cams-lsr-camshaft-install-upgrade_740329.htm

im a mopar guy but damnit, why isnt mopar making motors like this that can gain 10% more power JUST FROM A CAM!!
 
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Yup I forgot to add that in, going balls out for 24 hours is A LOT different then a car built with a bunch of HP for the strip.

Edit-And that Nascar engine gets rebuilt every race, this is a car you can take to the track for a few hours and drive home with no worries. And I'm pretty sure there are people making over 2000hp with the V10's, and a lot more at the 1500 mark then inline 6's. And again, who the fuck needs more then 640hp to race at a track?

Chevy makes some VERY VERY impressive motors, but I'm sure they spend A LOT more time/money on them then Dodge does the V10 as they sell a lot more. And they use the V8 for almost all of their V8 vehicals (cars/trucks) compared to just one.
 
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now you guys are telling my that this motor is built on a budget? no costs were spared on this motor. this is a factory supported race team, you think chrysler said, "you only get 5000 to build and tune the motor" no... i dont think so. i bet they have over 50k into that motor.
 
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they made a 21% increase over stock... thats pussy shit.

i have NO IDEA WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT WHEN IT COMES TO MOTORS AND my 408 is making 100% increase over stock N/A!
 
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Will you just quit bitching? Really, shut the hell up. You just don't get it, do you?

50K? Yeah, I bet there's that much dough in the peizo-electric sensors they're monitoring cylinder pressure with.

You just don't get it, do you? How about them Lambos? They've got a price tag big enough to scare Buffett, but they make around 600hp too, are they 'disappointing'?
 
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you guys and your reliability. if companies can produce a car with over 600hp and give it a warranty... i think they can make a racecar reliable..
 
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clint282cc said:
your right it does. 1500hp out of a boosted v-10 is good but they make that power out of inline 6s.

they make 850hp nascar engines that run over 10krpm for a full day... i think 640 is not an excuse for reliability.

if someone on the forums made that power out of a v-10 i would say HEY BADASS DUDE! your making over 550hp to the wheels! sweet! BUT since this is a chrysler guy who has been building these motors for 29 years!!! and all he can squeeze out of a v-10 is 140 more hp over stock? really?

http://www.streetfire.net/video/comp-cams-lsr-camshaft-install-upgrade_740329.htm

im a mopar guy but damnit, why isnt mopar making motors like this that can gain 10% more power JUST FROM A CAM!!
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Idk where you heard that ive been watching NASCAR since i was like 3 and ive never seen them turn over 9600 and it doesnt hang there all day.
 
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bad425rt said:
640hp n/a for a car that's designed to go balls out for extended periods of time is pretty impressive, imo. Sure, you can get more power out of it, but they're building it to be reliable for road racing.
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A NA motor at that horsepower that can go for an extended amount of time is pretty impressive.

Imagine a marathon runner runing at a sprinters pace.
 
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caulk04 said:
Will you just quit bitching? Really, shut the hell up. You just don't get it, do you?

50K? Yeah, I bet there's that much dough in the peizo-electric sensors they're monitoring cylinder pressure with.

You just don't get it, do you? How about them Lambos? They've got a price tag big enough to scare Buffett, but they make around 600hp too, are they 'disappointing'?
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LAMBOS ARE FACTORY CARS!! and that is disapointing considering you can get a vette with more hp for 1/4 the cost!

if you are a factory backed race team, and you have no budget and your job in life is to build a race motor and win, and all you can get is 640hp out of a v-10 that already produces 500hp with cats, and other emissions... VAGINAS!
 
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clint282cc said:
i have NO IDEA WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT WHEN IT COMES TO MOTORS AND my 408 is making 100% increase over stock N/A!
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It it makes (so you claim) what, 460 hp? That's 69hp/L. The Viper motor is 7.4L I beleive which makes it 86.5hp/L. Hmm.

What good does a choppy, peaky unreliable engine do in a FACTORY built race car? Not a drag car, a race car. They can't produce something that runs like shit, it's got to be tractable and smooth enough to not kill the driver.
 
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RedDakRT said:
Idk where you heard that ive been watching NASCAR since i was like 3 and ive never seen them turn over 9600 and it doesnt hang there all day.
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its an exaggeration. but still, they can hang at 9600rpm at 850hp which is 200 more than the v-10 and 2 less cylinders, and probably the same cost... that v-10 is seeing WAY less rpms. look at the dyno. did it reach 6k? and thats on a road coarse. im sure it has an average rpm of 4500 throughout a day of racing. while a nascar would have an average of 7k+
 
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caulk04 said:
So is this.



You can't buy a Chevy built 'Vette with more HP than that, for anyones money.
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YOUR GOING TO TELL ME I CAN GO BUY THAT CAR FROM THE FACTORY?

ZR1 vette. may be boosted but it makes 650hp for $125k. thats with a warranty.
 
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