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#42 ·
This is like saying my v2 sq which flows 1000 cfm on a 16lb pulley on my 408 with a 58tb and flowing 400cfm 4bbl will make a lot of power, wrong, the blower isn't built for this, yes it might reach the boost level, but it's being over spun. I myself am going from a 1000cfm blower to a 1600 cfm blower, a vortech-7 ysi-trim. If I am wrong, i'll shut the fuck up, I think his expectations for the blower are wrong, unless that rating is hp to the crank(700), or like 548 to the wheels.
 
#43 ·
So cliff notes. Your an idiot and can't spell Rhode Island.
 
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I never asked you guys for anything on here i was tellin you guys some stuff to help you fix the flaws of the P1SC.
 
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Lil_Bee_R/T said:
I never asked you guys for anything on here i was tellin you guys some stuff to help you fix the flaws of the P1SC.
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there are no flaws...its made for a stock motor and is more of a starter blower. I don't care what you do to it or the motor...RTSpeedemon is the resident "expert" on the subject and has PROVEN you cant make that kinda power with them. Simply upgrading to a paxton netted over a 100 HP...i think those results speak for themselves.

But go ahead, do your build and we will see you in another thread titled "Help, not making power" :waiting:

be sure to record it too when you start up that motor doing what you plan on doing...i like firework shows!!

cant wait!
 
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RTspeeddemon PROOVED nothing, his setup didnt make power with the P1, that just means his motor needs cfm to make power...not that the blower is at fault; nothing against him or anyone else, just the obvious fact. And there are actually several flaws with many of the blower kits out there, Lil Bee was right in his first post.

1. The intercooler is a flow restriction, it is not sized to flow enough cfm even for a stock"ish" setup. When he was at the track and removed his intercooler in favor of a straight pipe he picked up 3mph...30hp. To me that means the engine didnt like having the intercooler there. Im not saying intercoolers are unnecessary at all, but they should be properly sized...not a generic kit piece.

2. The Procharger hat is GARBAGE. We have done extensive dyno and flowbench testing of inlet bonnets in the past and just about everything on the market has flaws. The most prevalent flaw is all the air piles up in the back of the hat; in a carburator this means all the air (and hence fuel) comes out of the secondaries, in the 5.9 motors the TB only has holes in the center which means the air hits the flat part of the throttle body before bouncing back down the bores. We sell a hat (not here to sell things, give me some leeway here:D) that smooths out the air so flow and boost both go up (see pic i posted before).

3. The jackscrew tensioner setup IS junk, it has no way to compensate for belt stretch, or for decel slacking of the belt. It usually starts to show it's inadequecy around 8psi and above.

As has been stated, you dont make 600hp with a stock engine..never going to happen. Lil Bee has stated his motor is built to make some power....the exact specs I dont know so I cant comment on what he is capable of. But as I've prooven with the several trucks we've built the power can be made if the engine is built and sized properly. Rtspeeddemons engine is larger than stock, and yes the P1 was too small, but on a stock displacement engine, that same blower could make more power.

And I was off on the flow numbers I posted before. The S-trim flows 1000cfm, while the P1 flows 1200. So we made 700 with the S-trim gasping for air, the P1 would of made even more power. This is also an purpose built blower engine that makes the most of the air it is given and then asks for more.

Like I said, Lil Bee was right and wrong in the same breath. The power can be made, but not on most setups, and not with bolt-on parts and kits.
 
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What your saying makes no sense to me. I know all about volumetric efficiency and how it works. But it seems to me what your doing is wasting your efforts. Why build a motor that is extremely efficient and then throw on a supercharger that is flowing at its limits. This is doing more harm then good. Running anything at its limits causes stress and heat. Oh wow you made all kinds of power running your smaller head supercharger. But its not going to last as long as super charger that would flow the exact same CFM but at a lower boost level.

Its just like a turbo set up. On my older Volvos they run a Mitsu 13c. Its the size of my fist. Sure I could run it at 14psi. But it would be smoking hot, even with a 2 1/2 inch downpipe dumped underneath. Which causes more harm then good when it comes to lifespan of the turbo as well as the oil being used to cool it. But if you up the turbo size to a Garret that would come off of a newer volvo. Your making more power at less boost and less strain on everything.

This is just the way my eyes see it I guess. It seems to me your dumping all kinds of money into your motors and then coming with no money left over when you go to buy the supercharger.
 
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Fuller said:
This is just the way my eyes see it I guess. It seems to me your dumping all kinds of money into your motors and then coming with no money left over when you go to buy the supercharger.
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You are 100000% right in everything you just said. And that is EXACTLY what happened. It wasnt a motor for us, it was one of our customers who did just that; spent all his money on the motor, and then didnt want to upgrade the blower when we told him he needed it. That engine WILL make close to 1000hp when he upgrades the blower in a few months, as that is what it was designed to do.
 
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brad99rt59 said:
there are no flaws...its made for a stock motor and is more of a starter blower. I don't care what you do to it or the motor...RTSpeedemon is the resident "expert" on the subject and has PROVEN you cant make that kinda power with them. Simply upgrading to a paxton netted over a 100 HP...i think those results speak for themselves.

But go ahead, do your build and we will see you in another thread titled "Help, not making power" :waiting:

be sure to record it too when you start up that motor doing what you plan on doing...i like firework shows!!

cant wait!
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You know what I say all the power to them play with the P-1SC all they want. :stirthepo
 
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bondslayer said:
You can only fuck a pussy so much, and then it's just a slab of balonge. Your p1sc, has a limit. That is the reason why they make bigger additions:) A novi2000 vs. a p1sc, I don't see a comparsion, it's a hands down. Efficiency/ cfm flow= out come.
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100% True, I dont think anyone was ever arguing that the P1 was the best blower ever made, just what could be done with it.
 
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SDCE said:
100% True, I dont think anyone was ever arguing that the P1 was the best blower ever made, just what could be done with it.
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And what can't be done with it ;)

The thing that most people dont understand about superchargers, OP included, is that it is not a one size fits all.....hence the reason Vortech, Paxton, ATI all have multiple compressor trims available.....

I personally have used every supercharger kit on the market for these trucks less the Kenne Bell and a simple compressor upgrade can yield 50+hp....

My truck picked up close to 100 hp with the paxton vs. a powerdyne......the cfm and volumetric efficiency levels were hands down superior with the better compressor - although the same boost level was achieved....

Todd
 
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