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After completing my rear disc installation I decided to post up all of the information I gathered. This post should answer most of the questions asked in regards to converting a drum brake equipped 1997-2004 Dakota/Durango to rear disc. The information has been gathered from my own experience as well as other posters. I used some images from one of 70CUDA383 posts and information from one of Duner posts for Jeep rear disc. Thanks for the info guys!
If anybody has anything to add, post it up and I will edit this thread.

This thread deals with factory rear disc options only and does not deal with any of the aftermarket offerings.

In short, there are no bolt on options for factory rear disc on our drum brake equipped Dakota/Durango's regardless of year of manufacture. All of the options require some kind of modification. Listed below are the options, positives and negatives to each, as well as what is required to make them work.

The absolute best way to swap over to rear disc is to get the complete axle assembly out of an 03-04 Dakota/Durango. If you are swapping from Durango to Dakota or Dakota to Durango the only thing that needs to be changed is the shock mounts. This is a piece of cake when compared to changing the axle flanges.

The primary reason disc brakes will not bolt onto drum brake rear ends without mods is due to the backing plate flange location. The pictures taken by 70CUDA383 show the differences in flange placement.





From these pictures it becomes obvious why the disc brake backing plates will not simply mount onto a drum brake rear end. That leaves us with needing to modify something to make this swap possible.

1. Mid 90's Jeep Grand Cherokee rear disc. This is probably the easiest swap as the Jeep uses the same axle flange location as the drum brake rear ends in our Dakota/Durango's. Duner has completed this swap and had this to say regarding modifications.

Rotors need to be redrilled for the 6-lug bolt pattern.
The center of the backing plate needs to be opened 05" to clear the larger axle tube.
The mounting holes for the backing plate need to be opened up .0625 to mount on the axle flange.
Parking brake cables have not yet been installed but, I can't see that being very difficult.
Rotors on the Jeep are a little bit smaller than what came on the 03-04 Dakota/Durango, they measure 11.2"
These rotors are solid.
This brake setup will fit under 15" wheels.

2. 03-04 Dakota rear disc. The only modification that needs to be done to use these brakes are axle flange relocation. This is not a particularly easy modification. It can be done but it is not fun.

Axle flange needs to be relocated.
Parking brake cables need to be from a vehicle with the same chassis length, they can be found at Rock Auto or obviously the dealer.
The rotors are 12.1" in diameter and are solid.
This setup uses updated single piston rear calipers.
The backing plate has an integrated caliper mount. It is a single piece unit.
This setup requires 16" or larger wheels.





3. 03 Durango rear disc. Like the 03-04 Dakota rear disc the axle flange needs to be relocated. The 03 Durango rear discs share nothing in common with the 03-04 Dakota rear discs.

Axle flange needs to be relocated and flipped on one side.
Parking brake cables need to be from a vehicle with the same chassis length, they can be found at Rock Auto or obviously the dealer.
The rotors are 12.1" in diameter and are ventilated.
This setup uses what appears to be the same caliper that was used on the mid 90's Jeep Grand Cherokee. It is a single piston caliper.
Backing plate and caliper mount are separate pieces.
This setup requires 16" or larger wheels.





The photos below show the differences between the 03-04 Dakota rear rotor and the 03 Durango rear rotor courtesy of Rock Auto. 03-04 Dakota on top with the 03 Durango below.





There may be other options. If you know of any that will work, post them up.

Well after having all this new knowledge if you still want to proceed with swapping your rear drums for discs follow below and I will show how I did it with 03 Durango rear discs.

Before starting you are going to need a pair of these. I cut these on our CNC machine when it became obvious I would need them. They were made from 3/8 plate steel. Trying to remove the factory flanges for reuse is not something I wanted to attempt.



First thing I did was remove the studs. They can be knocked out with a hammer fairly easily. Don't worry about damaging them, they are too short for the disc brakes and will need to be replaced with the proper length stud.
Don't forget to stuff some rags in your axle to protect the bearings.
Below is the stock flange before any work has been started.

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That kit price is kinda high when you can get recycled parts or even a complete rear end for the price of the incomplete kit. Not to mention they have smaller rotors then the 03 and up....

I dont like using aftermarket kits. What happens when you need to replace a rotor for some reason...... I would stick with 03 swap but thats just me. My brakes are something I dont mess around with... I like being able to stop and get new parts if/when I need to. I am VERY hard on brakes.

Dodge Dakota and Durango rear disc brake kit includes:
brackets, bolts, and new 11 1/4" vented rotors. Link for info on ABS
Part Number 2552 $259.95 pair
That was a big part of my reasoning for going with the Jeep brakes. I can get a set of rotors, pads or calipers anywhere.
You can get the rotors calipers and pads anywhere with the kit that I posted a link too also. The calipers and pads are off of a late 70s early 80s GM G-body, Monte, Cutlass, Regal, etc. And I had the pn of rotors at the house for if I had to relplace them on my 79. The reason I'm not even considering the Jeep or 03 brakes is cause I'm using a 9" Ford under the rear of my truck, would be a good bit harder to get either of those braking systems on that axle then the bolt on kit that I'm using.
heres an idea...with you guys that have the drum axle...and can either get the 03/04 dak brakes or the jeep brakes....which will be the best option....


just make a spacer for the backing plate instead of cutting the old plate off and welding a new one

now if all you can get is the durango ones...have fun

anybody have any measurements for the newer jeep brakes?
That was a big part of my reasoning for going with the Jeep brakes. I can get a set of rotors, pads or calipers anywhere.
How much difference did you notice with the rear brakes? I've always been told most all of your brakeing power comes from the front brakes.
Very true that most of the braking is provided by the front brakes. I did notice a pretty big difference after adding the disc brakes - but that could partly be due to the fact that my original drum brakes were out of adjustment after doing roughly 700 burnouts in addition to 65k of actual driving.
"I did notice a pretty big difference after adding the disc brakes - but that could partly be due to the fact that my original drum brakes were out of adjustment after doing roughly 700 burnouts in addition to 65k of actual driving."

LOL:jester:
heres an idea...with you guys that have the drum axle...and can either get the 03/04 dak brakes or the jeep brakes....which will be the best option....


just make a spacer for the backing plate instead of cutting the old plate off and welding a new one

now if all you can get is the durango ones...have fun

anybody have any measurements for the newer jeep brakes?

I don't think you understand the problem with the alignment...

on BOTH the Durango and Dakota 03/04 rear disc brakes, the mounting flange is 5 cm from the end of the axle tube. on the drum brake axles, the flange is 3 cm from the end of the axle tube...so if you're going to take the disc brakes that are built for a 5cm "backspacing" and put it onto an axle with a 3cm mounting flange...it's goingto be 2cm TOO CLOSE to the end of the tube...not sure how a spacer is going to correct that problem! the only solution is to either cut the caliper mounting bracket into the shape of a "C" and slip it on BEHIND the flange for the drum brakes, and THEN use a spacer, or, cut off the old flange, and weld on a new one.
I don't think you understand the problem with the alignment...

on BOTH the Durango and Dakota 03/04 rear disc brakes, the mounting flange is 5 cm from the end of the axle tube. on the drum brake axles, the flange is 3 cm from the end of the axle tube...so if you're going to take the disc brakes that are built for a 5cm "backspacing" and put it onto an axle with a 3cm mounting flange...it's goingto be 2cm TOO CLOSE to the end of the tube...not sure how a spacer is going to correct that problem! the only solution is to either cut the caliper mounting bracket into the shape of a "C" and slip it on BEHIND the flange for the drum brakes, and THEN use a spacer, or, cut off the old flange, and weld on a new one.
your right...i went back a rechecked....my bad...that was a lot of tech info to go thru with lack of sleep...thanks for setting it strait.....plus thankfully i didnt have to go thru that to do my brakes.....but im glad someone did
your right...i went back a rechecked....my bad...that was a lot of tech info to go thru with lack of sleep...thanks for setting it strait.....plus thankfully i didnt have to go thru that to do my brakes.....but im glad someone did
but you did put viper brakes up front right? what wheels are you using? could you fit OEM 16x8s and OEM R/Ts over them? your stuff is totally different than the viper conversion offered by sidewinder,right?

I need better front brakes but I wanna keep my OEM wheels, both the 16x8s and the 17x9s so that pretty much limits my options to the 03/04 dakota's front brake set ups
Huh, very interesting info. When i swapped from drums to discs i went a different rout. I didnt do any welding or have to flip one of the mounts. My axle was from a 98 dakota that had drums (i think it was a 4x4). I just cut off the dust shields and ground down the caliber brackets to clear the rotors. The rotors and caliber brackets are from a 2004 or 2003 dakota. Here is a pic prior to cutting off the dust shields and grinding for clearance. Been running if for about 10k miles now with no issues.


SPP=Scott, do you still have the measurements for the axle flange or are you able to get more made?

Dodgebigblue, like i said on the other site I don't mind helping ya out with the swap.
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I need better front brakes but I wanna keep my OEM wheels, both the 16x8s and the 17x9s so that pretty much limits my options to the 03/04 dakota's front brake set ups
You won't be disappointed with the 03+ front brake setup if you've got the older front brakes right now...definitely an improvement.
but you did put viper brakes up front right? what wheels are you using? could you fit OEM 16x8s and OEM R/Ts over them? your stuff is totally different than the viper conversion offered by sidewinder,right?

I need better front brakes but I wanna keep my OEM wheels, both the 16x8s and the 17x9s so that pretty much limits my options to the 03/04 dakota's front brake set ups
i have srt10 viper brakes front and rear...4 piston calipers and 14" rotors. and yeah sidewinders kit is for the 2002 vipers and older...mine are the 03 up, though i believe he is possibly working on a kit for those.

and no...these wont fit stock wheels...the minimum for mine are 18"...it does suck....especially trying to find a spare...though darrens are 17" and bigger wheels


my wheels are kinesis wheels...actually from a 98 or so viper
Axle bracket

DJ,
Check your PM's. The file is a .igs, it is a CAD format. You will need CAD viewer to open the file. If you do not have one you can download a viewer from Solidworks, follow the link below. Any machine shop with CNC capability will also be able to open the file. If you have any questions don't hesitate to ask.

http://www.solidworks.com/sw/products/free-cad-software-downloads.htm

Regarding your caliper brakcet mod. You are basically saying that you were able to grind from the face of the bracket itself enough material to move the bracket out far enough to clear the rotor? If so, do you have any pics of the mod? I would like to update this thread if that is a solution for others.
Did you grind the bracket or have a machine shop fly cut it?
DJ,
Check your PM's. The file is a .igs, it is a CAD format. You will need CAD viewer to open the file. If you do not have one you can download a viewer from Solidworks, follow the link below. Any machine shop with CNC capability will also be able to open the file. If you have any questions don't hesitate to ask.

http://www.solidworks.com/sw/products/free-cad-software-downloads.htm

Regarding your caliper brakcet mod. You are basically saying that you were able to grind from the face of the bracket itself enough material to move the bracket out far enough to clear the rotor? If so, do you have any pics of the mod? I would like to update this thread if that is a solution for others.
Did you grind the bracket or have a machine shop fly cut it?
i did it all myself (with help of other members) with air tools. I will get some pics this weekend after i put my new cams in. Oh and thanks for the file.
has anyone ever considered the SSBC kit? it is a bit pricey, but i would trust it......
is buying a '03 Durango rear disk diff for $500 worth it for a rear disk swap on a '01 Durango rear drum diff?
but you did put viper brakes up front right? what wheels are you using? could you fit OEM 16x8s and OEM R/Ts over them? your stuff is totally different than the viper conversion offered by sidewinder,right?

I need better front brakes but I wanna keep my OEM wheels, both the 16x8s and the 17x9s so that pretty much limits my options to the 03/04 dakota's front brake set ups
if you want to run the 16's then the viper kit is out of the question,I asked that same question. plus the parts are alot cheaper and easier tho find for the 03 04 fronts
has anyone ever considered the SSBC kit? it is a bit pricey, but i would trust it......
I did the ssbc kit and not impressed with it. I got a problem with the ebrake cable causeing one side to bite harder than the other. Asked them and they said i soulndt be having any problems. oh and the calpier that they use are from a ford Tbird, that makes me want to rip that shit off asap
is buying a '03 Durango rear disk diff for $500 worth it for a rear disk swap on a '01 Durango rear drum diff?

No. I paid $200 for the complete rear suspension--axle, shocks, springs, sway bar...

$500 for a complete axle is a joke. most junk yards only charge $300 for the whole deal, and if you can find a you-pull-it, you can get the parts cheaper.

for $500 I'd pass...or swap out the entire axle, but in my case, I couldn't do that, the axle I bought was only an 8.25, and I need the 9.25 for my power levels.

you can buy brand new stock rotors for like $60 each, and new calipers for like $80 each, or $30 if you have a core exchange, so the only thing you really need is the caliper mounting bracket on the axle, because I think that's either a dealership only item, or not available, parts stores definitly won't have it. so for $500, you're paying $280 for the brake components, and $230 for the brackets.
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