Very informative! Thanks for the heads up!
LED info, FAQs, tips and tricks
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There always seems to be a lot of discussions about leds ranging from how bright, what kind, color, price, style, conversion, etc. So I thought I would do a simple write up about it to try to answer some of these questions.
1. LEDs as turn signals; flashers and load resistors to stop hyperflashing.
LEDs will most likely make your factory flasher hyperflash. The reason is that leds draw so little power that the flashers sees a smaller load and flashes quicker to suggest a bulb is out. There are always questions about what to use, resistors or flashers to stop this. Well it depends. I always like new flashers because they do not build heat like load resistors do.
Link to see both
For 2000 Dakotas and Durangos and below you can use flashers. For 98-2000 you need a flasher like the EP-27. 97 and older need to check because they are not all the same.
For 2001 Dakotas and Durangos and up you have to use load resistors. They do not use a typical flasher. Load resistors are wired in parallel with one or more bulbs. Something to note is that load resistors do build heat quickly, that is why they have such large heat sinks on them. They can get extremely hot so you have to be careful how you mount them. The most important thing to do is to mount them on the front turn signals, EVEN IF you are replacing your rear brake/turn signal bulbs. This will keep them from building heat when you are in stop and go traffic and constantly using the brakes.
2. Color issues to be aware of before buying.
LEDs are not like typical bulbs. They do not produce a broad spectrum of visible light like a normal bulb or the sun does. This is something to remember when replacing bulbs in housings with colored lenses, ie: red tail light housings, or amber turn signal housings. You DO NOT want to use a white led cluster in this case in hopes of it producing a brighter light through the colored lens. You SHOULD use leds that are the same color as the lens you are installing them in. This quote from superbrightleds.com explains it well:
3. More leds do not always make a brighter bulb.
Just because an led bulb has more leds than another bulb, it will not make it brighter every time. There are several things that come into play here.
i. Type of LED:
All leds are not the same. A 3 watt luxeon LED will be much brighter than your typical led.
ii. Viewing angle:
LEDs are rated by viewing angles. This represents how far of an angle from directly over top can you see bright light. Narrow viewing angles will produce a light that is bright from straight on but nothing to the sides. Wide angle ones will produce a more even light distribution so you can see it from different angles.
iii. Quality:
All LEDs are not created equal. You need to be careful of cheaply made LEDs as they will be more likely to burn out and usually dimmer.
iv. Placement:
Up until now the characteristics described may be hard to know until you actually buy them. Sometimes they will not have that information and you will have no way of knowing. HOWEVER this characteristic is by far the most important and easiest to see. Because leds produce light in a narrow direction when compared to a regular bulb, you have to be careful what kind you buy.
This bulb has all 24 leds facing one direction.
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Even with wide angle leds most of the light will be directed only out in the direction they face. There will be nothing to fill the light housing's reflector. Instead you will be left with a dot of light.
This bulb has leds over the entire bulb facing different directions.
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They will reflect light off the housing's reflector and fill the entire thing with light more like a regular bulb does. It will typically be much brighter even with only 18 leds on it because of it filling the housing so well.
One more thing to note about style and placement of them in realtion to number:
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This bulb contains only 13 leds. However they are not typical leds but clusters of leds. Each one has multiple diodes in each little lens. They typically range from 2-6 in one little led. It produces a very bright light that is spread over a wider bigger led lens.
I will post more info later. Also feel free to ask questions or add something yourself.
1. LEDs as turn signals; flashers and load resistors to stop hyperflashing.
LEDs will most likely make your factory flasher hyperflash. The reason is that leds draw so little power that the flashers sees a smaller load and flashes quicker to suggest a bulb is out. There are always questions about what to use, resistors or flashers to stop this. Well it depends. I always like new flashers because they do not build heat like load resistors do.
Link to see both
For 2000 Dakotas and Durangos and below you can use flashers. For 98-2000 you need a flasher like the EP-27. 97 and older need to check because they are not all the same.
For 2001 Dakotas and Durangos and up you have to use load resistors. They do not use a typical flasher. Load resistors are wired in parallel with one or more bulbs. Something to note is that load resistors do build heat quickly, that is why they have such large heat sinks on them. They can get extremely hot so you have to be careful how you mount them. The most important thing to do is to mount them on the front turn signals, EVEN IF you are replacing your rear brake/turn signal bulbs. This will keep them from building heat when you are in stop and go traffic and constantly using the brakes.
2. Color issues to be aware of before buying.
LEDs are not like typical bulbs. They do not produce a broad spectrum of visible light like a normal bulb or the sun does. This is something to remember when replacing bulbs in housings with colored lenses, ie: red tail light housings, or amber turn signal housings. You DO NOT want to use a white led cluster in this case in hopes of it producing a brighter light through the colored lens. You SHOULD use leds that are the same color as the lens you are installing them in. This quote from superbrightleds.com explains it well:
A white led is usually just a blue led with a phosphorus filter over it so it will show up as white. The blue spectrum of visible light is a long way from the red spectrum. You will have a much brighter light output if you use the proper color led. If you take apart a factory led housing that is in a colored lens the leds will be the same color as the lens.
3. More leds do not always make a brighter bulb.
Just because an led bulb has more leds than another bulb, it will not make it brighter every time. There are several things that come into play here.
i. Type of LED:
All leds are not the same. A 3 watt luxeon LED will be much brighter than your typical led.
ii. Viewing angle:
LEDs are rated by viewing angles. This represents how far of an angle from directly over top can you see bright light. Narrow viewing angles will produce a light that is bright from straight on but nothing to the sides. Wide angle ones will produce a more even light distribution so you can see it from different angles.
iii. Quality:
All LEDs are not created equal. You need to be careful of cheaply made LEDs as they will be more likely to burn out and usually dimmer.
iv. Placement:
Up until now the characteristics described may be hard to know until you actually buy them. Sometimes they will not have that information and you will have no way of knowing. HOWEVER this characteristic is by far the most important and easiest to see. Because leds produce light in a narrow direction when compared to a regular bulb, you have to be careful what kind you buy.
This bulb has all 24 leds facing one direction.
Even with wide angle leds most of the light will be directed only out in the direction they face. There will be nothing to fill the light housing's reflector. Instead you will be left with a dot of light.
This bulb has leds over the entire bulb facing different directions.
They will reflect light off the housing's reflector and fill the entire thing with light more like a regular bulb does. It will typically be much brighter even with only 18 leds on it because of it filling the housing so well.
One more thing to note about style and placement of them in realtion to number:
This bulb contains only 13 leds. However they are not typical leds but clusters of leds. Each one has multiple diodes in each little lens. They typically range from 2-6 in one little led. It produces a very bright light that is spread over a wider bigger led lens.
I will post more info later. Also feel free to ask questions or add something yourself.
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So since there have been so many led questions lately, I am bumping this thread since a few of them are repeat questions and mostly because I have stuff to add.
Now there is a new concern to be aware of when ordering the 3157 leds for things like the tail and brake lights. Some vehicles require a special led bulb where the contacts for it are flipped. Some manufacturers refer to it as a crossover bulb. They are commonly used on some of the newer rams and many GM cars. If you are ordering these for a dakota or durango, do not order crossover bulbs. The second picture I have attached shows the difference of the pins at the connector. This matters since leds are polarity sensitive, unlike a standard bulb. So when the sockets are manufactured differently, the bulbs have to be manufactured to match them. Now crossovers are rare but most companies sell them, so make sure you are just getting the standard and not a crossover.
V-LEDs makes a cool 60 smd led (first picture attached) that comes in both standard and what they call "SRCK" which is the crossover style. Don't buy the "SRCK" for a dakota or durango. They are great bulbs when you get the regular one though. However they are temporarily out of the regular style so don't order any from them until they have one that does NOT say SRCK in the title.
Also they sell the ep-27 flashers for 98-00 models.
If anyone is interested in making your own led arrays, I have found a new handy calculator for it
http://ledcalc.com/
Now there is a new concern to be aware of when ordering the 3157 leds for things like the tail and brake lights. Some vehicles require a special led bulb where the contacts for it are flipped. Some manufacturers refer to it as a crossover bulb. They are commonly used on some of the newer rams and many GM cars. If you are ordering these for a dakota or durango, do not order crossover bulbs. The second picture I have attached shows the difference of the pins at the connector. This matters since leds are polarity sensitive, unlike a standard bulb. So when the sockets are manufactured differently, the bulbs have to be manufactured to match them. Now crossovers are rare but most companies sell them, so make sure you are just getting the standard and not a crossover.
V-LEDs makes a cool 60 smd led (first picture attached) that comes in both standard and what they call "SRCK" which is the crossover style. Don't buy the "SRCK" for a dakota or durango. They are great bulbs when you get the regular one though. However they are temporarily out of the regular style so don't order any from them until they have one that does NOT say SRCK in the title.
Also they sell the ep-27 flashers for 98-00 models.
If anyone is interested in making your own led arrays, I have found a new handy calculator for it
http://ledcalc.com/
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