I guess it depends on what price range you want to keep the intercooler in. I also don't know your space constraints. That's something you will know best since you can measure the manifold and the available space you have to work with. How much do they cost for GTP's? Have you looked at the ones that is used in Ford applications? They are OEM and should be cheaper, but also bigger.
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GTP vendors sell intercoolers for about 1100 dollars. There are like four GTP people in our club at school some of them engineers, we have like two m90s in the garage......
"They are practically free, investing all this other time and technology in the m90 for a 5.2 instead of a 3.9 is a huge waste. You can get m112s also practically for free from lightnings. Doing a turbo set up would be cheaper and way better" -GTP enthusiast I live with.
The GenIII eaton has poor efficiency numbers when its operating in its best areas, you're planning on putting it in it's worst.
My 2.2L is arguably too small for the 5.2/5.9 at 134ci.
"They are practically free, investing all this other time and technology in the m90 for a 5.2 instead of a 3.9 is a huge waste. You can get m112s also practically for free from lightnings. Doing a turbo set up would be cheaper and way better" -GTP enthusiast I live with.
The GenIII eaton has poor efficiency numbers when its operating in its best areas, you're planning on putting it in it's worst.
My 2.2L is arguably too small for the 5.2/5.9 at 134ci.
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I think they were around a grand or more, but i did some looking and found some other ones for cheap that i could modify. For like 150ish. I just have to determine how big of a core i can fit in there without making it too tall. I thought that all the ford ones were air to air. At least the supercoupe's were. I dont know about the newer ones.
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Ok well then where can you get a 112 for practically free? I ve been looking and havent found any for under 7-800 bucks. Which isnt bad, but its not in my budget right now. I know that the 90 isnt not big enough. But its what i have. Until i can find a bigger and better one for cheap, im going to keep going ahead with this. A turbo would be probably be better, but this motor is going in my 4x4 dak. Which is getting a SAS and 38s to 40s. Im gonna need the low end torque and nearly instant boost off road. I do appreciate all the help and the criticism though guys.
Second result on ebay is 600 shipped. Craigslist and every ford forum you can think of, if you dig hard enough you'll find a good price. You're time can't be worth so little that you'd rather do all this over again than do it right the first time.
I think I remember seeing that when I was researching GTP's. I've always wanted one as a daily driver someday when the gas prices get back to where they were. I thought that price was crazy until I realized they didn't have an intercooler from the factory (price may still be a little high IMO, lol).
I know for a fact the Ford ones aren't air to air. Check the size of the intercoolers for the newer cars and trucks like Lightnings and all of the stock supercharged Cobras/GT500's. It will probably be more expensive for these but maybe you could even look into the newer GM setups as well.
I know where you can get M112's for a range of $250 to $450. You could even find some cheaper than that if you looked around for a while. There are some things that can be done to the M112 to make it a little more efficient but we can get into that if that is the blower you choose. Another choice if you really want to get into the high power arena is the 122 that is on the GT500 which shouldn't be that expensive but I don't remember how much at the moment. There are other choices but those are probably the cheapest. You are on the right track though with choosing a PD blower. Very few Dak-Dur owners even appreciate what they have to offer and I wouldn't go as far as saying a turbo would be better for your application either. Tons of off road vehicles choose these types of blowers because they realize the ultimate reliability along with the advancements in making them as efficient as (if not more than) a lot of turbos. Also, I'm sure the INSTANT boost along with the fact that it doesn't drop off for the duration of the engine's powerband may have something do to with it. :mullet: But I will also say that if all you can do now is an M90, we'll find a way to get it working (not at it's best obviously) and if you can budget in a bigger blower, then I would really suggest picking up a cheap m112 or M122. You will thank yourself in the end, and so will you IAT's, lol!
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You definitely don't want to waste any time even thinking about a m90 as far as I'm concerned. That's like spending 1500 on a trick ass nitrous setup to spray a 35 shot.
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Ok fair enough Five9, i hadnt looked on ebay in a while, and i usually just stay on the canada one, many vendors dont like shipping across the border. I do plan on getting at least an m112, but just not at the moment.
D-bo24 Ill look into the ford ones and see what i can find. Some sort of intercooler like you described is definately in my plan now. That instant boost is exactly why i want to use one. There are a lot of situations where you NEED full power immediately. There isnt any time to wait for a turbo to spool up. I realize a properly sized turbo can have nearly no lag though as well.
Thanks for all the help again guys. This is why im on this forum. I dont post much but love reading what everyone else is doin, and try and learn from it.
D-bo24 Ill look into the ford ones and see what i can find. Some sort of intercooler like you described is definately in my plan now. That instant boost is exactly why i want to use one. There are a lot of situations where you NEED full power immediately. There isnt any time to wait for a turbo to spool up. I realize a properly sized turbo can have nearly no lag though as well.
Thanks for all the help again guys. This is why im on this forum. I dont post much but love reading what everyone else is doin, and try and learn from it.
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Why run meth and an intercooler? Meth is more reliable, less plumbing and less issues.
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Meth is more reliable? I figured an intercooler would be way more reliable. Being that it just sits there and air flow thrrough it. But i suppose if the coolant revevoir wasnt big enough it could heat up and not be very effective anymore. Id also need to have a fairly large container for the meth, because it would be spraying a lot. I was kinda figuring on having the intercooler all the time and then meth after a certain boost. Like for part throttle and cruise, no meth. I know my IATs will be pretty high with the 90 so i might need both.
That brings up another question too. Because i want to run this on propane, and it turns to vapor at -40 degrees. The motor would be sucking in a cold gas. Would the IATs be lower on propane versus the same setup on gasoline? Or would the blower negate any possible gains?
That brings up another question too. Because i want to run this on propane, and it turns to vapor at -40 degrees. The motor would be sucking in a cold gas. Would the IATs be lower on propane versus the same setup on gasoline? Or would the blower negate any possible gains?
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Id rather have the IC than meth.
That sounded like some bad drug thing..
That sounded like some bad drug thing..
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Bringing this back from the dead. I want to do this to a V6 magnum. No one has over boosted the V6 and I am finding lots of aftermarket M90 upgrades. Would be a simple matter to make a super m90 from a donor and upgraded parts. Given that it is a first gen and has the giant air hat cleaner on top of the throttle body like a carb would, it should have ample clearance for an m90. My main questions are should I EGR delete the supercharger, and should I go negative pressure on throttlebody or positive pressure on TB. I will have to change cable lengths regardless. Also planning on a megasquirt or something so I can adjust the tuning. Yes I am V8 swapping in a few years. I have a bare block 383 big block "Magnum" from a 68 charger with stock 906 heads. Going to slap that bad boy in there someday and rebrand it the "Dakota Super Magnum". Until then. I want to make the strongest v6 possible and see what exactly it takes to blow up the strongest v6 magnum possible. For the curiosity alone.
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