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The 2002 Jeep TCM swap turns your tranny into a 545-rfe. It gives you a second overdrive, an effective 5th gear. The only difference between the 45-rfe (4 running gears) and the 545-rfe (5 running gears) is programming. The actual parts of the tranny are the same. So when the TCM's you get a 5th gear, voila.:D
I'd like to know more about this if you don't mind. How much did this cost you? What kind of rpms are you running on the highway? Stuff like that. Do the TCMs have to be programmed, or is it just a plug and play module?
 

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That's interesting.

What did it cost you to do the 02 Jeep TCM swap?
About $40 bucks plus shipping for a junkyard TCM off of www.car-part.com

I'd like to know more about this if you don't mind. How much did this cost you? What kind of rpms are you running on the highway? Stuff like that. Do the TCMs have to be programmed, or is it just a plug and play module?

Here is the guy that figured it out:

http://www.dakota-durango.com/forum/showthread.php?t=52534&highlight=545-rfe&page=6

So all you need to do is go on car-part.com and look up a 2002 jeep 4.7 TCM. It will be the one you need for the 545-rfe programming. The PN ends with 1905AD. And it is a straight forward swap that takes 5 minutes tops. You unscrew the old one, take the plug out, plug it into the jeep TCM and then screw it down. That's it.
 

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About $40 bucks plus shipping for a junkyard TCM off of www.car-part.com




Here is the guy that figured it out:

http://www.dakota-durango.com/forum/showthread.php?t=52534&highlight=545-rfe&page=6

So all you need to do is go on car-part.com and look up a 2002 jeep 4.7 TCM. It will be the one you need for the 545-rfe programming. The PN ends with 1905AD. And it is a straight forward swap that takes 5 minutes tops. You unscrew the old one, take the plug out, plug it into the jeep TCM and then screw it down. That's it.
I'm sure this will yield a little bit better gas mileage results right? Since that last gear will be turned into a 5th gear, lower RPMS at highway speeds.

Did you throw any codes, or have to reset anything when you did the swap? Maybe you can help me with the swap since your pretty close to me (I live in West Palm)
 

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I'm sure this will yield a little bit better gas mileage results right? Since that last gear will be turned into a 5th gear, lower RPMS at highway speeds.

Did you throw any codes, or have to reset anything when you did the swap? Maybe you can help me with the swap since your pretty close to me (I live in West Palm)

You get better gas mileage because of the lower rpm's, yes. But the only thing is that with the Jeep TCM the torque converter locks up like 5-10 mph later so around town mileage might suffer a little bit, but trust me it would be hardly noticeable and most likely be easily overcome by the mpg increase on the highway.

The swap causes no codes and you don't have to reset a thing. You simply unscrew the old one out swap the plug and screw the jeep one in. I can help you if you would like but trust me you won't need it. If you take a look in the engine bay right behind the passenger side headlight you will see the TCM. There are 2 screws holding it in and one holding the plug into the TCM. All you need to do is swap the stuff over. If oyu take a look at it you will see how easy it will be to do. If you have any questions though or you do need help just LMK it's not a problem.
 

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What part is this exactly on car-part? Like, what should i search for?
 

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What part is this exactly on car-part? Like, what should i search for?
On the first page of www.car-part.com use the following search criteria


2002

Jeep Grand Cherokee

Transmission computer


After you type in whatever are or something ( I like to search by price) and you press Search, another thing will pop up. Select"


Transmission, (4.7L, 45RFE, right inner fender)


And press search again.


Then it will bring you to a page with all of the the TCM's. From there find the cheapest one that you like that is in good shape and call the junkyard up and order it. But make sure that the PN ends in 1905AD that is the one you are going to want.
 

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ah excellent, I was looking at the TCEM. lol
 

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On the first page of www.car-part.com use the following search criteria


2002

Jeep Grand Cherokee

Transmission computer


After you type in whatever are or something ( I like to search by price) and you press Search, another thing will pop up. Select"


Transmission, (4.7L, 45RFE, right inner fender)


And press search again.


Then it will bring you to a page with all of the the TCM's. From there find the cheapest one that you like that is in good shape and call the junkyard up and order it. But make sure that the PN ends in 1905AD that is the one you are going to want.

How would the Transgo shift kit affect this mod?
 

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So if you've got 1000 bucks I would have to say: superchips, HO cams for sure, and then gears, intake/TB or exhaust; your choice. Those mods together should net you quite a bit of power. Probably the best power for the money you will get out of the motor.
Exhaust, Intake/TB combo works great on the 4.7, and should be first on your to do list.

Superchips will make these mods work even better.

Cam swap is also doable if you have the skills.

You are not going to get into gears unless you spend your entire G-bill on 'em.
 

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It wouldn't effect it at all. Like I said the 45-rfe and the 545-rfe are physically the same transmission, the difference is in the programming. So the trans-go shift kit will do the same thing before the TCM swap as after.
Neato, how about the superchips? Any negative effects come out of that + the TCM?
 

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If I had to chose just one mod I would chose the 4.56 gears! Hands down they made the best all round gains on my 4.7L Quad Cab Ram, I saw 3-4MPG increase in fuel economey as well as crazy off the line performance... towing is a breeze.

Now Since your in a Dakota you may be able to get away with the 4.10s but when it comes to gears I feel the 4.56's with our .75/.67 overdrive is the perfect combination and still recomend it for the Dakota owners.

The superchips 3815 is a great mod as long as you dont plan to go with cams any larger then H/O's. If you plan to go with a REGRIND cam or ported heads then you would be in the market for an SCT tune.

The electric fan mod is a great mod as well.... for you Dakota guys thats a free one and should be done... YESTERDAY!

If you have any questions please feel free to contact me.

SPEED SAFE, AIR RAM
 

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i guess it's about time i chime in since i am bored and feel like making a write up. i haven't been on the forums for a while and have been away from the truck world ever since i got my project car. here are some things i have learned over the years of having my truck that can help all of you out.

first and foremost, ditch your stock clutch fan!! i can't emphasize that enough. if you have a stock e-fan then that's all you need. i've never had a problem yet after years of not having the clutch fan on there. i have towed in hot weather and everything. don't worry about it, just do it! i was all scared at first too and went and spent money on a viper fan kit and i didn't end up needed it. it's still in my garage taking up space.

hands down the best mod i have done was 4.10 gears, and i'm now wishing that i would have just went with the 4.56's. especially the guys with newer models with stock 3.92's, there no point in the small jump to 4.10, just go right to 4.56's. our tranny gear ratios are perfect for them like stated above. doing this saves gas because it makes 5th gear actually usable now, and turns it into your regular driving gear. i have to shift way less now after the gears where before there was always constant downshifting when coming to any kind of hill or having to slow down for something. the constant shifting is what accounts for the poor city mpg and even on the highway unless you are totally cruising flat 5th is useless. i'm from PA and we have too many long mountains to climb on the interstates so you are always downshifting. i almost always stay in 5th now unless i really have to slow down or come to a stop for something. 5th has enough power left to keep going and even still accelerate in the middle of a hill. it's night and day difference, and i'm sure even more with 4.56's. i don't know what dodge was thinking putting in 3.55's stock because they are horrible and make worse mpg. also, it's a good idea if you're like me and got stuck with a non-LSD truck to go ahead and have the shop install one during your gear swap. even if you have a factory LSD they aren't the best and are known to fail so order yourself an upgrade. i am so kicking myself for not getting an auburn along with my gears when it was already apart. i didn't want to spend the extra at the time, but now i would have to go pay all the labor again for the same job they could have done before probably included in the price. you def want an LSD, so don't be cheap! you'll regret it later because one wheel burn outs and lost traction aren't cool. the biggest thing though with both installs, is find a reputable shop to do it for you. i've read too many horror stories about shops screwing up and people who tried to do it on their own and grenaded their diffs in the end. unless you really know what you are doing i highly recommend not trying this on your own. you need the proper tools and knowledge to be able to correctly set the backlash and adjust the pinion angles. very quickly all the money you spent on your new gears could wind up leaving you stranded on the side of the road and having to pay someone else to go back and fix it. find a reputable 4x4 or truck performance shop that knows what they are doing and who does this type of thing on a daily basis. don't trust your local mechanic or tranny shop to get it right, because they only really know how to deal with stock oem and not modifications. there shouldn't be any noise or whine from the rear or they didn't shim it correctly. take it back and have them recheck the backlash or pinion depth. then you will need to break them in for at least 500mi before you really get into them. after that change the fluid and put in a good synthetic, and don't forget the LSD friction additive if you had on installed.

next i would say get the HO cams and 08 intake manifold upgrade followed by superchips. i think the first thing i went out and bought for the truck when i got it was superchips, and at the time it was kind of a waste. it doesn't do a whole lot to a stock truck (still an increase though and spedo correction), but after a few mods like cams/TB/exhaust is when it really will take effect. the performance setting is a huge difference, and i set it for towing when hauling something which also works great. if you leave it in performance mode for towing a heavy load then you totally feel it bogging and more lethargic like. it's not made to handle a load with that setting. once in towing mode it pulls like no tomorrow. just be sure and not make the mistake i did, and put anything less than 93 octane in while using both performance and towing modes. i had forgotten the first time i used the towing mode and thought that it could work with regular fuel, and the whole time during my trip i was pinging while going up hills and under WOT. i thought i could save some money and use 89 octane. i came home and read the directions again and found it also needs 93+. also i wouldn't try using the 87 economy mode after doing the HO upgrade and other mods because you will be likely to run too lean.

*the newest and best combo out according to AIRRAM is the HO cams, 08 intake manni, 72MM TB, and SCT tune. If you don't want to go that far just stay with a 70MM TB and Superchips.

next you will want to breath better so i would look into a free flowing exhaust. you don't "need" headers, but i have them anyway for looks and sound. most ppl on here will tell you that the stock headers flow pretty well and don't need to be upgraded unless you are going for real high output. i also have true duals, and though they are great and loud! they may not be legal in some areas where state inspections are required. i eliminated the 3rd cat to be able to have true duals, and it's hard to get an inspection after that. most places require the exhaust to be of OEM design in order to pass. i also wouldn't recommend going over 2.25" if going true duals because there can be a feeling of loss in low end torque. i listened to some others and went for 2.5", but i am sort of wishing i didn't now. it sounds awesome, and it's good for top end but i feel like i lost some of my off the line torque which i miss. i don't get much power until i am in the 3k rpm range. a straight single 3" is also supposed to work excellent for the 4.7 and doesn't lose torque. if you go single though, at least have the exhaust shop fab you a larger y-pipe because the stock one is too restricting and doesn't have smooth enough bends.

intake is up to you, but i would stay away from K&N and their overpriced rip-off products that actually filter worse than stock (especially the plastic FIPK which tends to crack). i currently have an intake that i made from polished alum pipe bends and a 10" cone filter, which looks and sounds cool, but won't protect your engine. there are many sites that have already proven that the stock filter boxes on most autos is more than sufficient for performance and the paper elements filter way better than the aftermarket cotton gauze types. i think if i hadn't thrown out all the stock parts that i would rig up an updated pipe system utilizing the stock airbox. it will keep your engine much cleaner and help it last longer without getting clogged up with debris down the road. i also have a fastman 70mm throttlebody, which i'm not sure did anything but i like to think it helps. no reason to spend the extra for a billet F&B, the fastman's work awesome. without a dyno after each mod sometimes it's hard to really tell the benefits if they aren't really apparent and the butt dyno only goes so far lol.

then there's the little things you can dig up on the forum search like the IAT sensor mod, and TPS voltage mod. i have done both and like the results.
 

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something else i always recommend is a good electrical system. though it may not necessarily be connected to performance, it can actually help keep things running smoothly. always get a good maintenance free battery, and make sure your alternator is working correctly. biggest thing though would be to add in a grounding system which is sometimes called "The Big 3", but i like to think of it more like the big 10+ because just 3 cables isn't enough to upgrade. the stock grounds on the truck are just horrible and aren't really doing much. i like to use a heavier cable at least 4ga and make short runs to create a daisy chain network of grounds around the whole engine bay hitting critical points. amp power wire for car audio works great and comes in different colors to coordinate with your theme. welding cable also works, but is not oxygen free copper and will definitely corrode up pretty quick if exposed. you need to use heatshrink tube on the ends to seal it off. there are universal kits available but i like to make my own. if you feel uncomfortable doing so then the kits work just the same. depending on the application i will vary the wire gauge, and since this is a truck with a higher output alternator i like to use at least a 2-0ga for the main ground from the battery to the stock chassis location. then from there i run 4ga to certain places in the bay. you can check for the stock grounding points and connect to those, and also add a few more to main accessories and making sure the head and block both are separately grounded. look for easily accessible bolts that you can connect to that don't connect to anything important. you don't want to unbolt something that holds tension or a main part to the engine. shine up the bolts if corroded with a wire brush or wire wheel on a drill or dremmel. daisy chain the cables over until you reach the passenger side stock grounding point. now your whole engine bay is properly grounded and will make all your electronics run better. everything on your engine is controlled by sensors and electronic systems, so this helps everything get the steady voltage it needs to function properly over time. i'm sure there is more about this in another section if you need more information or PM me for details.

other than that there isn't much else you can easily do to this engine. there are other upgrades but they really start getting expensive after this and are only for the real enthusiast looking to track their trucks or do competition racing. something i think it really needs is forced induction, and at one point i was saving for the supercharger kit. i'm sure it would be worth it if you can afford to do so. a turbo takes some real skill and the good ol' 4.7 though a hearty engine in stock form isn't made to handle much above that. you can quickly and easily blow pistons and rods under boost so an engine overhaul is a must with all forged parts. if you want an easy truck for forced induction go buy a diesel and learn. they are much more forgiving if something goes wrong.

also don't forget about suspension and handling packages, but that's for another thread.
 

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I would say C.A.I., larger T.B., and the H.O. intake. Then exhaust and then the chip and cams. What do I know. It has probably been mentioned but I really don't feel like reading it all. Then get the gears. Or even better, a supercharger.
 

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Of the mods I've done, I've probably noticed the biggest difference according to the butt dyno, in this order:

4.10 from 3.55 gears
SCT tune
Headers (Yes, really felt a difference at low end. Installed after intake, exhaust and TB)

Did the air intake, exhaust, throttle body and E-fan all in quick succession and can't really remember which was most noticeable but they all made a difference.
 
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