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Old 07-08-2009, 12:06 AM
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Kenne Bell 5.9 Installation Help

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Long time reader, first time poster. I have to admit I do not own a Dakota nor Durango, but I will be buying a dodge ram soon. Anyhow. I am installing Kenne Bell 5.9 supercharger from dodge ram in to my Jeep Grand Cherokee 5.9L. Got tired of seeing vortech kits in all other jeeps so decided to tackle this. Fun project to say the least, and definitely unique. I am not using the optimizer. I removed the axillary injectors and welded the holes shut with a piece of aluminum. I will be using 255 Walbro, 42# FMS and SCT tunner to give her enough fuel.
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Question that I have is, what to do with the valve cover breathers? On the driver side the breather from the valve cover is supposed to go to the fitting underneath the TB inlet. But on the passenger side the SC comes too close to the valve cover, so I am not sure what to do there. I was wondering if any of you here running that SC could help me out please. Also my kit came with 2 pulleys 3 3/8" and 2 7/8" seems like a big difference... What are they supposed to be rated for? My crankshaft pulley is 7 1/8" from what I can tell. I am not sure if it is the same size as in a Dodge. Now I know it is almost impossible to provide exact numbers as there are no "identical" cars, but ballpark will do just fine. Thank you all in advance!

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Old 07-08-2009, 01:39 AM
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damn,,,nope nope all wrong- you should take it off and let me test the charger to make sure its functioning properly for you,,yup thats what i'm willing to do for ya!!!! how often do you get an offer like that eh???

ok it looks awesome,,,i'm jealous
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Old 07-08-2009, 02:06 AM
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There are 2 other members that I know of going the SCT/KB route, perhaps they'll chime in. Definitely stick around and post your progress/results when the time comes. Good luck!
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Old 07-08-2009, 03:10 AM
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damn,,,nope nope all wrong- you should take it off and let me test the charger to make sure its functioning properly for you,,yup thats what i'm willing to do for ya!!!! how often do you get an offer like that eh???

ok it looks awesome,,,i'm jealous
LOL, well my dumass paid 2700 for this thing, while there was a vortech kit for sale at the same time that went for 1850...
Tell you what I will trade it for that hot ass durango you got :-)

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There are 2 other members that I know of going the SCT/KB route, perhaps they'll chime in. Definitely stick around and post your progress/results when the time comes. Good luck!
Thanks man, yeah I am waiting on hemifever to send me a tune so I can fire this thing up. Once that is done she is going straight on the dyno 6mi away to get a proper tune.
I will post progress. I am hopping some of the guys here can answer my questions, so I can finish up the install.
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I run the breather open and the pcv through a catch can to the blower inlet. You're going to need a catch can, PD blowers make a LOT of crankcase pressure. Good luck with it. You way ahead of the curve by never bothering with the optimizer. Somebody's been listening!

That truck is going to be an animal out of the hole, as if the 5.9 ZJs aren't already.
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great setup man looking great does it run at all yet fuel pump and all installed yet etc?
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haha well done look great!!!!! X10 i have the optimizer and yeah P.O.S
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I run the breather open and the pcv through a catch can to the blower inlet. You're going to need a catch can, PD blowers make a LOT of crankcase pressure. Good luck with it. You way ahead of the curve by never bothering with the optimizer. Somebody's been listening!

That truck is going to be an animal out of the hole, as if the 5.9 ZJs aren't already.
Thanks man, just the info I needed! I was a little worried about it, something didn't seem right so I am glad I asked. I am thinking about maybe using the air compressor filter as a simple catch can... Cheap and I don't have to wait for it to show up, can pick it up in the hardware store. One of the guys on my forum is running that setup.

As far as optimizer goes, that thing would've been a pain to wire up, I got tired of reading about how to wire it, much less actually doing it. SO bigger injectors and SCT made more sense, especially since I already had the sct tuner.
Goal of my build is to lower my 0-60 times as much as possible. I am not much of a track guy, I will take a freeway onramp over that anyday.
So after SC is done and properly tuned, she is getting 4.10 gears and 27" tires. My shop is also building forged 408 for me, so hopefully that will be done sometimes soon.

You think my KB will be a lil too small for it??? It is only 1.5 I do believe.

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great setup man looking great does it run at all yet fuel pump and all installed yet etc?
I haven't had a chance to throw in fuel pump yet, the walbro I bought was shipped with a wrong install kit, so I had to wait. Right install kit just came in today, so Thursday she is getting a new pump and injectors. Hopefully by the time that is done my 2 bar map and my drive belt will show up.
Had to use a shorter belt, the one that came with it from Dodge Ram was too long. I need one 106" long, so ordered Gates 7rib K071056. Also had to order carbon fiber hood with 3" cowl to clear the SC outlet and the air hat. Should be sometimes next week. I will post some pics once it shows up.

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haha well done look great!!!!! X10 i have the optimizer and yeah P.O.S
Thanks man, yeah I agree about the optimizer, I just didn't trust that thing enough, SCT is definitely the way to go.


BTW my kit came with 2 cammed idler pulleys... One goes on the snout bracket, all good there, where does the second one go???? I have the diagram from KB, but I am not clear about where to mount the damn thing....
Also the SC pulleys that came with it? One is big one is small, are they supposed to be like 6# and 10# or am I way off? I thought I saw the formula somewhere here to calculate the boost based on the crank pulley size, but I can't find it for the life of me...
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woww, that will be really nice!! You will love the set up!!

Boomin5point9 is a great person to talk to!!
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What numbers are stamped on the natural alu color plate between the cast gear cover and the billet compressor housing, on the passenger side? Should be like OA 4XX MX. If it says 422 you have the 2.2L compressor.

You'll need to know your compressor size to estimate boost but the formula goes like this:

Pressure Ratio=(CD*PR*2)/ED
Where:
Pressure Ratio= (boost in psi+14.7)/14.7
CD= Compressor displacement in liters
PR= Pulley ratio, Crank Dia/Blower Dia
ED= Engine Displacement in liters\
The 2 is because the blower displaces its rating ever rev, but the motor only does every two.
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What numbers are stamped on the natural alu color plate between the cast gear cover and the billet compressor housing, on the passenger side? Should be like OA 4XX MX. If it says 422 you have the 2.2L compressor.

You'll need to know your compressor size to estimate boost but the formula goes like this:

Pressure Ratio=(CD*PR*2)/ED
Where:
Pressure Ratio= (boost in psi+14.7)/14.7
CD= Compressor displacement in liters
PR= Pulley ratio, Crank Dia/Blower Dia
ED= Engine Displacement in liters\
The 2 is because the blower displaces its rating ever rev, but the motor only does every two.
Perfect!!! Thank you so much!
I like to take an educated approach to the things I do, and this definitely helps! I will check out what is stamped on the blower when I get home.

I am sorry to be a pest, but do you have any idea where the second cammed pulley supposed to go? I got the one on the snout flange, but the lower one is confusing me...
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Do you have an aluminum puck with a notch in it that goes with it? You'll need it. The cammed pulley and puck goes on the lower alternator support bracket bolt. The puck goes behind the pulley assembly to make a larger seating surface and the notch picks up one of the ribs in the alternator bracket casting. If you can't figure it out I can take a pitcture later. Mine is still attached to my motor even though I am running it NA at the moment.

Your motor with any decent amount of boost is going to be outflowing the blower inlet and stock type throttle body set up higher int the rpm range. My datalogs indicate flow peaks at about 560cfm with the provided blower inlet. I would get it tuned with the biggest pulley (least boost) you have and go from there. You're still going to pick up a ton of torque down low.

I'm actually in the process of redesigning the kit to top mount the blower with custom intake manifold and blower inlet. Target inlet flow will be 1100cfm. If there is enough interest in the future I may offer an upgrade kit for people who already have the compressor from the KB kit.
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Do you have an aluminum puck with a notch in it that goes with it? You'll need it. The cammed pulley and puck goes on the lower alternator support bracket bolt. The puck goes behind the pulley assembly to make a larger seating surface and the notch picks up one of the ribs in the alternator bracket casting. If you can't figure it out I can take a pitcture later. Mine is still attached to my motor even though I am running it NA at the moment.

Your motor with any decent amount of boost is going to be outflowing the blower inlet and stock type throttle body set up higher int the rpm range. My datalogs indicate flow peaks at about 560cfm with the provided blower inlet. I would get it tuned with the biggest pulley (least boost) you have and go from there. You're still going to pick up a ton of torque down low.

I'm actually in the process of redesigning the kit to top mount the blower with custom intake manifold and blower inlet. Target inlet flow will be 1100cfm. If there is enough interest in the future I may offer an upgrade kit for people who already have the compressor from the KB kit.

Got it! I do have that puck, was wondering what the puck it is for.
I also have Fastman 52mm TB that is supposedly rated at 690CFM... I am hopping that will do the trick for now. I guess dyno will show... or maybe not.

You are right on the money about the tuning. I was going to get it tuned with a bigger pulley first. Then add Meth injection, switch to the smaller one and tune it yet again. Don't want to take a chance on the smaller pulley without a cooling of a sort.

I wish I can top mount that KB, but 5.9 motor sits so high in ZJs that I have to get a cowl hood just to clear the blower outlet that goes into the M1. Forget about stuffing the head unit on top of the engine....

What oil do this things use? Mine came prefilled, but it is not new for sure and I wanted to change it.
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Redline 50w racing oil. Your speed shop should be able to get it. It is green. The blower doesn't hold very much, DONT overfill it, if you do you'll have to drain it. I use a shot glass filled about a cm at a time to fill mine. I think you can go 10k miles on a change, but watch the level.

My new set up should be lower than the KB remote deal.
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I'm actually in the process of redesigning the kit to top mount the blower with custom intake manifold and blower inlet. Target inlet flow will be 1100cfm. If there is enough interest in the future I may offer an upgrade kit for people who already have the compressor from the KB kit.
Is this going to be a sheet metal intake or cast aluminum? I think you will see a night and day difference once you do this. I am not sure how far into the design process you are at but what are you going to do about the rear inlet and distributor clearance?
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