14" Round filter vs. CAI

[hskrRT]

Originally Posted by TurboBlew

you let the cat out of the bag! Negative spectre rep for you!!!

Does your generic philosophy apply to medications and food products?

I get whatever medications the Navy gives me for free. as far as over the counter, yes we buy generic stuff. Food products? What type are you referring too? Cereal, we buy the generic bags, but most other stuff there isn't enough of a difference in price to worry about it.

[ScojoDak]

K&N XStream for me. Couldn't feel any difference from this and the K&N cone style CAI. I prefer this look.

[vortmax]

Originally Posted by rumblefish360

I agree. Though I can not for the life of me find ryme or reason as to why K&N's filter @ summit is $300. It's a flippin plastic tube with a filter and a few brackets.

Seems like it's closer to price gouging.

It's not just a flippen plastic tube. They engineer each flippen plastic tube, mounting brackets and shroud to fit the engine bay of the specific vehicle. They also have all of their intakes certified as C.A.R.B. exempt, which requires additional design criteria and expensive testing (it is the government). This means that there is a lot of design time that goes into that flippin plastic tube.

So I don't blame them for charging what they do. It's not like they are charging $100 for a high flow filter, a powdercoated piece of mandrel bent AL and a cheaply made airhat that doesn't even fit right (guess which intake I used to have).

[TurboBlew]

Originally Posted by vortmax

It's not just a flippen plastic tube. They engineer each flippen plastic tube, mounting brackets and shroud to fit the engine bay of the specific vehicle. They also have all of their intakes certified as C.A.R.B. exempt, which requires additional design criteria and expensive testing (it is the government). This means that there is a lot of design time that goes into that flippin plastic tube.

So I don't blame them for charging what they do. It's not like they are charging $100 for a high flow filter, a powdercoated piece of mandrel bent AL and a cheaply made airhat that doesn't even fit right (guess which intake I used to have).

youre not paying for the product but the warranty. One meeeeelllllliiiiooooonnnn miles!

[hskrRT]

Oh, and on my Spectre filter top, I took it apart and powdercoated the metal parts IB. They were chrome when i got them. The blue filter is discontinued, but you can still get red, and they used to have yellow, but that's discontinued as well. When i got mine, the place I got it from had to call Spectre direct and got one of the last few they had on the shelf in the Spectre warehouse.

[RJ_Hythloday]

Originally Posted by hskrRT

Oh, and on my Spectre filter top, I took it apart and powdercoated the metal parts IB. They were chrome when i got them. The blue filter is discontinued, but you can still get red, and they used to have yellow, but that's discontinued as well. When i got mine, the place I got it from had to call Spectre direct and got one of the last few they had on the shelf in the Spectre warehouse.

I haven't found one online, did you get yours local?

[hskrRT]

Forget where I got mine at. Been a while. I went to Spectre's website and got the part numbr, then did a google search for the part number.

[Five9Dak]

The best setup is a KN FIPK with a mopar sticker over the KN logo to make it look like a mopar CAI.

[rumblefish360]

Originally Posted by vortmax

It's not just a flippen plastic tube.

Yes it is.

They engineer each flippen plastic tube,

Knowing a gaggle of engineers, they just fuss with it until there happy. Not trashing there edu. but it's more so true than not, the more I get to know more and more engneeers. Don't fluff up what you don't know about. Your making yourself look stupid without my help.

mounting brackets and shroud to fit the engine bay of the specific vehicle.

Any half smart jackass can do this.

They also have all of their intakes certified as C.A.R.B. exempt, which requires additional design criteria and expensive testing (it is the government).

Of course they do if they want to sell it as such."AKA OK and leagal smog exempt part." DUH! Anybody who reads the C.A.R.B. Statements would know this. However, the "Extra design criteria" is an excellent use of words much like , OH, Carter Carb's did in the past with there "Economizer curcuit" All fluff, no buff, just a way to use words that sound good and mean something vs what it actually does.

This means that there is a lot of design time that goes into that flippin plastic tube.

Like I said earlier, it's tinker time. (No offense to engineers here. I know, first hand, just what the Edu. requirements need be to go down the route to become one.)

So I don't blame them for charging what they do. It's not like they are charging $100 for a high flow filter, a powdercoated piece of mandrel bent AL and a cheaply made airhat that doesn't even fit right (guess which intake I used to have).

Price is also due in part to volume of production / material used and what ever amopunt of personnal there is to be paid for screwing around with this item while they make it.

The biggest cost in this all is the goverment

(Though not in actual money spent by any company in addition to what they allready spent in development and tooling, licenseing, copy right etc... Just in terms of money not being made can be creatively re-worded into money lost, due to no sales.)

and it's delay(s) in exempting items that seriously require a few weeks of testing. Several of the products are needed to do so for testing and are tested in a varity of manors and conditions including temp. humity. height elevation.
Testing can be conducted very swiftly considering that extremes in weather are not found in the country but world wide. Have you ever noticed how some products get the "OK" stamp of approval faster than othersP.S. This should be of some food for thought and seriously, great concern to you.)

Something you never addressed is cost of actual production and fee's to cover the copying of the product.

Let's try something you can do. Call up another company, like Buchillion pulleys. Ask them how much it is to get a pulley up and running. Tooling cost, design cost. It's not cheap to put an idea from brain to paper to manfactureing and there cost isn't a huge refelction in there product.

ON JUST A MOPAR PULLEY!

How many products have you applied for a pattent on? You know the cost of that? Divided by the thousands of CIA's your selling?
Sorry, I can't beileve for a second that all these cost rolled into one could be reflective in the parts price.

Mark up is everything, buyer beware, your getting it in the keyster weather you believe me or not.

Tell me,

(guess which intake I used to have)

Do me and yourself a favor;
Take your constant reuse of my "Flippin" word and shove it in your hole so that it can't make a sound. Tape your typeing fingers up and think about what you type before you do any typing. This way, you'll have removed all doubt that your a dumb ass/know nothing ding dong.

Anybody else want to have a serious, grown up and decent disscusion, I'll be happy to talk...like an adult on this or any matter.

Furtherly, all that have contributed positivley to this thread, THANK YOU!
My appologies for stepping down to ding dongs level. Since he can't step up and speak nicely, I had to step down.
My appologies again.

[Adobedude]

Originally Posted by mbowser82

I currently have a "custom" CAI that I pieced together, but I am looking into replacing it. The one I have now comes off the stock airhat, 90s down and forward and runs up to the side of the radiator. It has a K&N filter (that has seen better days) and uses 5-ply silicon adaptors. If I decide to keep it, I need to fabricate supports for it (it is free-floating now) and replace the filter. I don't have the cash or wife-approval to throw down for a FIPK. However, I like the Mopar Performance cast aluminum round element. Will there be a noticable difference between my current CAI and a round filter? Is the supposedly cold air I'm currently pulling going to be that much of a boost over the warmer air the round element pulls? Most people seem to go gaga for the K&N Xstream lids -- but again the price begins to get out of hand! Any advice is appreciated!

Cold air is good air, and the more of it, the better.

[rumblefish360]

Adobedude;

That looks great. What hood do you have? A (link) picture maybe? I'm sorry, I do see the picture in the sig. below. I was just wondering if you had a better shot. Er... closer ...

Originally Posted by 2k1AmberR/T

I'm with you 100%. For what you get the k&n is definitely priced quite high. Hell, even the round filters with their name tag are priced pretty crazily in comparison to their competition, and it's not like they're worlds ahead of other air filter companies quality-wise either. My filter alone was about 80 bucks, not including the base or the lid...absolutely crazy. If Summit wants to bring cheaper products that work to the market, more power to them! They're just not for my truck, that's all. Maybe if I had a 1994 sentra that I paid 300 dollars for and gutted the hell out of it so I could race it at the track on weekends here and there. But that's something I wouldn't even have tags on, wouldn't ever hit the street and I wouldn't take any pride in it. I'd probably try to blow it up and then it'd probably go to the scrap yard even with all the summit stuff on it unless I could sell it on craigslist within a week or two. Anyway, hopefully nobody takes what I said too hard if they have a summit tach in their automatic pickup truck.

Between the cheaper units and the more expensive one, what ever performs the best is key. Performance can be measured in HP and/or long life. Prefur both.

IS there a marked difference in where the throttle body sits betwen the V-8 and 3.9?

[Adobedude]

[quote=rumblefish360;2267170]Adobedude;

That looks great. What hood do you have? A (link) picture maybe? I'm sorry, I do see the picture in the sig. below. I was just wondering if you had a better shot. Er... closer ...

This is the set up I use for shows....



But I don't like feeding the beast hot air at the strip, so I picked up an aftermarket Mustang hoodscoop, made it functional, cut a hole in the hood and modded the scoop to look more MOPAR and less Rustang....Plus, the air filter sticks a little above the hood now.

[2k1AmberR/T]

Originally Posted by rumblefish360

IS there a marked difference in where the throttle body sits betwen the V-8 and 3.9?

I don't know, I don't have a 3.9. Ask GoFastGray he might know.

[hskrRT]

Yes, the 3.9L TB sits closer to the firewall.

[Tydog07]

Can I do the round element filter on a 4.7L, and I can find the filters at Summit Racings website, but where are the other parts I need?