Global Warming?

[dak-rt-2a-XR]

Where's AL? (Linger longer)

What the fuck Al Gore, you fucking douche bag!!!!

its fucking 21 degrees in Ohio, snowing everywhere, and today Miami Florida woke up to 55 degrees and Jacksonville at 40 degrees...and my home of Charleston was a steamy 38 degrees...and its not even winter yet! Fuck you and your god damn polar bears!

where is your global warming now AL??????

end rant.....:rant::rant::rant::rant:

[Kota04SXT]

Yeah, Al. What the fuck?

[TurboBlew]

you guys really believe that windbag?

[Five9Dak]

Ah global warming, just another act in the surreal theater that US politics has become.

[WarrensD]

Ah global warming, just another act in the surreal theater that US politics has become.

Bingo. Economic crisis? HEY, look over here...the ice is MELTING!

[Kota04SXT]

Bingo. Economic crisis? HEY, look over here...the ice is MELTING!

:jester:

[rtgrouchman]

Yeah.....our local news guy said we're are probably going to have one of the snowiest Novembers recorded!

[WarrensD]

Yeah.....our local news guy said we're are probably going to have one of the snowiest Novembers recorded!

Tell you what...if your "local news guy" predicts TODAY'S weather correctly, start paying attention.

That's the problem with weather/climate predictions. No one has been around long enough gathering data to predict trends. It's all smoke and mirrors.

[BubbainAK]

Oh wow, this could turn into one of "those" threads that cause lots of arguments, gets people to quote wiki in an attempt to justify something, and maybe warren will piss off somebody. Wait, that's about every thread on here anymore. :stirthepo:jester: Oh well, back to the newspaper.:nana:

[InTeNsE98RT]

Oh wow, this could turn into one of "those" threads that cause lots of arguments, gets people to quote wiki in an attempt to justify something, and maybe warren will piss off somebody. Wait, that's about every thread on here anymore. :stirthepo:jester: Oh well, back to the newspaper.:nana:
:jester: So true :clap2:

[Rebel13]

Global Cooling :jester:

[Five9Dak]

OMG you got slightly larger tires! (this is more important news than global warming)

[Rebel13]

OMG you got slightly larger tires! (this is more important news than global warming)

:bow:

[buzzbass]

Let me ask you guys this. Do you think that the pollution etc. caused by all of us humans has absolutely no effect on the planet as a whole ? I'm not saying either side is right. I just want to know if you think that what we do has absolutely no negative affects on the earth ?

Not starting any arguemnts, just looking for your opinions. If you answer yes, then wouldn't it make sense that we try and limit the damage somewhat ? I agree Al is off the deep end, but shouldn't there be some middle ground someplace ?

[dak-rt-2a-XR]

I never said I believed Al Gore...i was only making a point that GW is a bunch of BS...I think Warren said it best above.

And I was fucking cold last night.

[dak-rt-2a-XR]

Let me ask you guys this. Do you think that the pollution etc. caused by all of us humans has absolutely no effect on the planet as a whole ? I'm not saying either side is right. I just want to know if you think that what we do has absolutely no negative affects on the earth ?

Not starting any arguemnts, just looking for your opinions. If you answer yes, then wouldn't it make sense that we try and limit the damage somewhat ? I agree Al is off the deep end, but shouldn't there be some middle ground someplace ?
I dont believe we do as much as they let on. Fire has been burning the earth since it began and putting "carbon" into the atmosphere. Hell, in the middle ages, forest fires used to burn ALL of Europe's Forrest down because they did not have the technology to fight fires.

I think it all boils down to Al Gore putting the ideas of Carbon pollution on people heads....now look at us...most countries INCLUDING the US have the great new idea of "Carbon Tax"

its a fucking scam for money.

And while America sits here with our government mandates that caused Diesel to become a $1 more than gas (government mandated Low Sulphur Diesel) to our not wanting to "destroy" a lizards fucking view of the desert so we could drill for oil...or mandated ethanol that fucked all of America's farmers and the free trade of corn...China and India are putting more pollutants in the air to make up for what we are not! They are burning every natural resource they can get there hands on. The only thing I can see out of our stupid mandates is when the world goes to shit from it, (if it does)..the US gets to say "wasn't out fault"

thats a comfort...

[WarrensD]

Let me ask you guys this. Do you think that the pollution etc. caused by all of us humans has absolutely no effect on the planet as a whole ? I'm not saying either side is right. I just want to know if you think that what we do has absolutely no negative affects on the earth ?

Not starting any arguemnts, just looking for your opinions. If you answer yes, then wouldn't it make sense that we try and limit the damage somewhat ? I agree Al is off the deep end, but shouldn't there be some middle ground someplace ?

A very good question. There has to be some effect on the planet from our presence here. I chose to believe it is minimal, but I am not opposed to being good stewards of the planet. Most of the things the GW people propose are not objectionable. I personally think our greatest travesty is the generation of plastic. Once nanocrystalline cellulose technology becomes perfected, we can finally put plastic (and its' landfill waste) to bed.

My big bitch is the scare tactics, oversimplification, and misstatements of the data. The ends do not justify the means.

[99dakota5.2]

OMG you got slightly larger tires! (this is more important news than global warming)

lmfao i was reading this thread then i seen the pic of rebels truck with bigger tires and lost all thought of this thread.

[Road Dog]

Kinda like if a river overflowed and flooded a town and you went and took a wizz in it. Your adding to it ,but it'll flood anyways.

[WarrensD]

Kinda like if a river overflowed and flooded a town and you went and took a wizz in it. Your adding to it ,but it'll flood anyways.
Good analogy.

[03GraphiteQuad]

I dont believe we do as much as they let on. Fire has been burning the earth since it began and putting "carbon" into the atmosphere. Hell, in the middle ages, forest fires used to burn ALL of Europe's Forrest down because they did not have the technology to fight fires.

I think it all boils down to Al Gore putting the ideas of Carbon pollution on people heads....now look at us...most countries INCLUDING the US have the great new idea of "Carbon Tax"

its a fucking scam for money.

And while America sits here with our government mandates that caused Diesel to become a $1 more than gas (government mandated Low Sulphur Diesel) to our not wanting to "destroy" a lizards fucking view of the desert so we could drill for oil...or mandated ethanol that fucked all of America's farmers and the free trade of corn...China and India are putting more pollutants in the air to make up for what we are not! They are burning every natural resource they can get there hands on. The only thing I can see out of our stupid mandates is when the world goes to shit from it, (if it does)..the US gets to say "wasn't out fault"

thats a comfort...
:stupid:

It's all a scam. In order for those in control to maintain control the masses have to be afraid of something, it's human nature.

In the hundred years or so that we've been burning fossil fuels we haven't even come close the the amount of pollutants that are released in a SINGLE volcanic eruption. The Earth is a VERY complex and constantly changing LIVING thing, we just live here... The Earth will do what it's ALWAYS done, which is change (no matter how much we don't want it to!)

The other thing to consider is the .03*C (or whatever the # is) that the temp has supposedly increased could simply be the fact that our technology has improved and the sensors used to calculate said change are just more sensitive than the old mercury thermometers that they used in the 1800's....

Al is a fucking Clown, that just recites what he is told.

[03GraphiteQuad]

My big bitch is the scare tactics, oversimplification, and misstatements of the data. The ends do not justify the means.


:stupid: :twothumb:

[WarrensD]

:stupid:

It's all a scam. In order for those in control to maintain control the masses have to be afraid of something, it's human nature.

In the hundred years or so that we've been burning fossil fuels we haven't even come close the the amount of pollutants that are released in a SINGLE volcanic eruption. The Earth is a VERY complex and constantly changing LIVING thing, we just live here... The Earth will do what it's ALWAYS done, which is change (no matter how much we don't want it to!)

The other thing to consider is the .001*C (or whatever the # is) that the temp has supposedly increased could simply be the fact that our technology has improved and the sensors used to calculate said change are just more sensitive than the old mercury thermometers that they used in the 1800's....

Al is a fucking Clown, that just recites what he is told.

:clap2:

FYI: 0.3 C

[03GraphiteQuad]

:clap2:

FYI: 0.3 C
fixed.... :onethumb:

[Five9Dak]

If you phrase the question of if we do ANYTHING that could affect climate, I'd say yes.

Anything signifigant: no.

We'd be better off containing cow farts than worry about low emissions vehichles.

[bwdakrt]

Al is the leader of the TREE HUGGERS SOCIETY! Everytime I hear all this propaganda crap form the tree huggers, it brings to mind the deal with the spotted owl. They literally marched, carried signs and raised hell because they were afraid someone was going to destoy the spotted owl breeding habitat...they could not survive and would go extint because this was the only place they would breed and raise their young.

There whole propaganda crap kind of went in the toliet when there was found to be a pair nesting in a KMart sign and doing very well! There's a lot of money being made off this tree hugging crap and they're not about to give that up! The only thing they are champions of is a FAT WALLET!!!!

[InTeNsE98RT]

So what about all the scientist who back the global warming idea? There has to be at least some convincing evidence for educated scientist to believe its happening right?

[99fabtechdrango]

its been proven that earth's orbit is not perfectly circular, its elliptical. and every 100 million years or so the earth gets so many miles closer to the sun for a while then slowly moves back out. global warming isn't because of us, its because of gravity. thanks dad for being a nerd and watching dumb crap that makes me learn pointless stuff

[WarrensD]

Al is the leader of the TREE HUGGERS SOCIETY! Everytime I hear all this propaganda crap form the tree huggers, it brings to mind the deal with the spotted owl. They literally marched, carried signs and raised hell because they were afraid someone was going to destoy the spotted owl breeding habitat...they could not survive and would go extint because this was the only place they would breed and raise their young.

There whole propaganda crap kind of went in the toliet when there was found to be a pair nesting in a KMart sign and doing very well! There's a lot of money being made off this tree hugging crap and they're not about to give that up! The only thing they are champions of is a FAT WALLET!!!!

News FLASH! Spotted Owls will breed in mailboxes.

[bwdakrt]

So what about all the scientist who back the global warming idea? There has to be at least some convincing evidence for educated scientist to believe its happening right?

Ther's always been one question I've wanted to ask these scientists!

How do you explain the disappearance of the ice during the Ice Age? What caused it to melt? Man was not around with all his toys and chemicals to cause global warming, so what caused it to melt?? :huh:

[WarrensD]

its been proven that earth's orbit is not perfectly circular, its elliptical. and every 100 million years or so the earth gets so many miles closer to the sun for a while then slowly moves back out. global warming isn't because of us, its because of gravity. thanks dad for being a nerd and watching dumb crap that makes me learn pointless stuff

Axis tilt precession (41k years), orbital precession (26k years), and orbital eccentricity (100k years). Three MAJOR contributors to GW (aka: Interglacial Periods).

:clap2:

[WarrensD]

Ther's always been one question I've wanted to ask these scientists!

How do you explain the disappearance of the ice during the Ice Age? What caused it to melt? Man was not around with all his toys and chemicals to cause global warming, so what caused it to melt?? :huh:

Cow farts.

[03GraphiteQuad]

News FLASH! Spotted Owls will breed in mailboxes.
which proves one thing for certain....

If a species is equipped to survive it will survive dispite our best efforts to save it...

:jester:

[03GraphiteQuad]

Cow farts.
mammoth farts.... :slap:


(cows weren't around yet) :jester:

[03GraphiteQuad]

Axis tilt precession (41k years), orbital precession (26k years), and orbital eccentricity (100k years). Three MAJOR contributors to GW (aka: Interglacial Periods).

:clap2:
at least there's some real science behind this^^

:clap2:

[dak-rt-2a-XR]

So what about all the scientist who back the global warming idea? There has to be at least some convincing evidence for educated scientist to believe its happening right?
there are now more saying that its BS than there are standing behind it.

[WarrensD]

at least there's some real science behind this^^

:clap2:

Those are just reasons 2, 3, & 4. When they stack up just right, it's the big freeze. We spend an average of 85k out of every 100k years with about five MILES of ice over our heads.

Reason #1: Solar cycles. Our sun is not a very stable star.

[WarrensD]

So what about all the scientist who back the global warming idea? There has to be at least some convincing evidence for educated scientist to believe its happening right?
This is a legitimate question. Believe it or not, there are politics in science. Very little pure research gets done these days under private funding. So...if you want the government big bucks for your pet project, you sight a GW tie in. If you look at the original papers, you'd be surprised to see many conclusions like: "and so, not only will substance XYZ make your dick hard for THREE hours, it will also cut down on Global Warming Emissions.

[Road Dog]

Hasn't Antartica been gaining Ice?

[mopar318]

Where's AL? (Linger longer)

What the fuck Al Gore, you fucking douche bag!!!!

its fucking 21 degrees in Ohio, snowing everywhere, and today Miami Florida woke up to 55 degrees and Jacksonville at 40 degrees...and my home of Charleston was a steamy 38 degrees...and its not even winter yet! Fuck you and your god damn polar bears!

where is your global warming now AL??????

end rant.....:rant::rant::rant::rant:

WAAAH, where have you been. 21 degree in Ohio in November, thats pretty much normal. The tri state shitholes (IN,MI,OH)are always going from warm to cold to hot to freezing all in one week.

Al Gore is a flaming douche though.

[WarrensD]

Hasn't Antartica been gaining Ice?

The Ross ice shelf (the one they always show ice calving into the sea) is losing ice at a significant rate. The problem is that this represents less than 5% of the world's glacial ice deposits. Greenland (majority of ice) is gaining at a high rate. Many other glaciers are building up, as well.

[02sxtkota]

yea wat global warming i see snow and temps in high 20s to mid 30s.

[Rebel13]

lmfao i was reading this thread then i seen the pic of rebels truck with bigger tires and lost all thought of this thread.

:hijack:
http://www.dakota-durango.com/forum/showthread.php?t=67990
http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm283/R1B3L/00%20Dakota%20RT/Progress/DSC01618.jpg

[ohiomike]

Tell you what...if your "local news guy" predicts TODAY'S weather correctly, start paying attention.

That's the problem with weather/climate predictions. No one has been around long enough gathering data to predict trends. It's all smoke and mirrors.

so david copperfield can change the weather to whatever we like then huh...

[R/T Rick]

Why does everyone make a big stink about how we couldn't possibly know without thousands of years of testing then dismisses GW with a few days of cold weather?

[jplinville]

We've been enjoying some great weather here in Utah lately...50-60 degree weather...very warm sun...little to no clouds. Almost a slice of heaven

[BubbainAK]

I'm dreaming of some global warming; It's currently -34 here with the windchill, -21 without it. Good thing I'm flying to Kuwait Sunday morning. Definitely sux for the wife & kids though!! :jester:

[ColoDak]

Yeah.....our local news guy said we're are probably going to have one of the snowiest Novembers recorded!

My 85 yr old Grandmother, living in Youngstown would say he's a little off, but there has been a tad bit of snow.

BTW, we still haven't had snow here in Denver yet this season

I never said I believed Al Gore...i was only making a point that GW is a bunch of BS...I think Warren said it best above.

And I was fucking cold last night.

waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaa, I was sitting in Rapid City, SD on Friday loading. NO IDLING was strictly enforced at this mall, it was 32 deg. a constant 20 mph wind with 50 mph gusts and occasional lite snowfall. It took 7 hrs (after being told it would only take 90 minutes) to load, I froze my balls, dick, ass, and everything else off.

So what about all the scientist who back the global warming idea? There has to be at least some convincing evidence for educated scientist to believe its happening right?

yes, but most will also concede that there have been significant cycles throughout history and that we are in a longer than normal one.

News FLASH! Spotted Owls will breed in mailboxes.

**NEWSFLASH** Spotted Owls taste great with a little BBQ suace

Cow farts.

mmmm, one more reason to eat steak, less cows = colder planet

WAAAH, where have you been. 21 degree in Ohio in November, thats pretty much normal. The tri state shitholes (IN,MI,OH)are always going from warm to cold to hot to freezing all in one week.

Al Gore is a flaming douche though.

welcome planet earth, don't like the weather, wait 10 minutes it'll change

We've been enjoying some great weather here in Utah lately...50-60 degree weather...very warm sun...little to no clouds. Almost a slice of heaven

here's the weather pattern for Denver for the last week, 70 on Sunday, 72 on Monday, 74 on Tuesday, 78 on Weds. (new record high), 38 and freezing rain on Thursday, 47 and clear on Friday. Today, it's supposed to be in the mid-50's.

I'm dreaming of some global warming; It's currently -34 here with the windchill, -21 without it. Good thing I'm flying to Kuwait Sunday morning. Definitely sux for the wife & kids though!! :jester:


-34, it's a heatwave

[WarrensD]

Whenever anyone mentions spotted owls, I'm always reminded of the goofy misled tree-huggers I had to deal with on my remote property. If you wanted a permit to build, you had to schedule an appointment to have "high-desert sage rats" counted on your property. It didn't take people long to figure out that a high count meant no permit (protected habitat).

So...before you called for your appointment, you would spend a week shooting, poisoning, and trapping as many rats as you possibly could. Now, who's interests were being protected? Certainly NOT the high-desert sage rat!

[96BlkDak]

Art Bell (yea hes kinda out there on somethings) interviewed the Admiral in charge of all the weather reporting for the English military. He also boasts he has the farthest north house in all of England. If I remember correctly he said there are 430 meteorological societies in the world. All but 17 say there is no global warming. The other 17 say there is not enough data to say either way. He also mentioned that Mt Pinatubo in 1991 released more green house gases than all of man kinds pollution for all of history. Right now there are 342 active volcanoes how much crap are they pumping into the atmosphere?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Pinatubo

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Active_volcanoes

[InTeNsE98RT]

Art Bell (yea hes kinda out there on somethings) interviewed the Admiral in charge of all the weather reporting for the English military. He also boasts he has the farthest north house in all of England. If I remember correctly he said there are 430 meteorological societies in the world. All but 17 say there is no global warming. The other 17 say there is not enough data to say either way. He also mentioned that Mt Pinatubo in 1991 released more green house gases than all of man kinds pollution for all of history. Right now there are 342 active volcanoes how much crap are they pumping into the atmosphere?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Pinatubo

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Active_volcanoes
Good info, im still up in the air about the global warming thing im not educated enough on the topic to say if humans contribute enough to make a difference or not but we sure as hell are not helping with all the pollution we produce but then again I dont want to give up my gas guzzling R/T either :drive: :jester:

[WarrensD]

Art Bell (yea hes kinda out there on somethings) interviewed the Admiral in charge of all the weather reporting for the English military. He also boasts he has the farthest north house in all of England. If I remember correctly he said there are 430 meteorological societies in the world. All but 17 say there is no global warming. The other 17 say there is not enough data to say either way...

The biggest problems with the data reporting are twofold. First, you are trying to compare data taken by many people and many different types of apparatus, over a 110 year period, accurate to 0.1 degrees C.

The second problem is what is called the "heat island effect." As urban cities grow, so grows their ability to trap heat. A fudge-factor is employed, to normalize the values. In a place like NYC, the fudge-factor is 13.5 degrees. But...they are sure it is 0.3 degrees warmer now!

Finally, if you look at ALL of the data, you discover that they have been "cherry-picking," that is to say they have been plucking out data that confirms their point. If you look at the straight line data from NYC, West Point, and Albany, you discover that the temperatures are "increasing" in NYC, they are stable in WP, and they are falling in Albany.

[96BlkDak]

I was just passing on the bits I remembered from 2-3 years ago. The admiral also said his wife had not shut the heat of at their house in several years. He also mentioned something about the gulf stream not reaching the north sea anymore and Scandinavia having record snowfalls.

Ive never heard the Heat Island effect before. Interesting concept if the name is an indicator.

Everyone cherry picks information.

[2K1DurangoR/T]

It was so cold last night, Al Gore was seen burning tires. :repost:

[b2™]

14 deg here last night w/ the windchill. It snowed Thursday night.

[WarrensD]

Why does everyone make a big stink about how we couldn't possibly know without thousands of years of testing then dismisses GW with a few days of cold weather?

A one day (or a one thousand day) trend doesn't mean shit. One million days might tell you something.

[IndyDurango]

As we are experiencing record cold all over the USA right now...

And as our govt is talking about pushing through legislation by Memorial Day on 'stopping' GW by using more of our tax money...

And as our govt takes these steps both hurting our economy and our industrial position in the world...

This little tidbit of sense finally comes along: http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2009/01/is-there-unstop.html

Here's to hoping it's not to late to change a few minds.

Regarding the related links at the end of the article, while I respect Stephen Hawking tremenously, he's got this one wrong. He must be selling out for the $ for new batteries or something. Perhaps he has visions of being Cpt Christopher Pike.

IndyDurango

[WarrensD]

...He must be selling out for the $ for new batteries or something. Perhaps he has visions of being Cpt Christopher Pike...

HAhahaAHAHA...obscure, but funny reference.

[96BlkDak]

He must be selling out for the $ for new batteries or something. Perhaps he has visions of being Cpt Christopher Pike.

IndyDurango

Hawkings already has better gadgets than Pike did. But Pikes wheel chair was cooler, and being the ex-captain of the Enterpise still means he gets all the chicks before Hawkings :funny:

[trevor]

Axis tilt precession (41k years), orbital precession (26k years), and orbital eccentricity (100k years). Three MAJOR contributors to GW (aka: Interglacial Periods).

:clap2:

wow...intelligence comes out of a thread like this. This is opposed to the typical "Al Gore is a horses ass"

If you guys dont know what these are, it is definately worth it to find out, to make yourself an educated opinion.

Props WarrensD

[IndyDurango]

Kudos Warren and 96BlkDak for the Pike catch. We can't spell out everything for the kiddies here. Sometimes it is good enough to stop with a heady reference even if you are the only one that gets it.

Trevor, Warren happens to know a little bit about this stuff from a past life. Just a little mind you. :jester:

IndyD

[WarrensD]

Now...get on your trivia hats. Do you know the story of Jeffery Hunter, and the original ST pilot, and WHY that dumbass W. Shatner wound up getting the job? (My mom dated JH once).

[IndyDurango]

http://www.mlive.com/opinion/flint/index.ssf/john_tomlinson/
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It's time to pray for global warming, says Flint Journal columnist John Tomlinson

by John Foren | Flint Journal Editor
Monday January 19, 2009, 4:20 AM

If you're wondering why North America is starting to resemble nuclear winter, then you missed the news.

At December's U.N. Global Warming conference in Poznan, Poland, 650 of the world's top climatologists stood up and said man-made global warming is a media generated myth without basis. Said climatologist Dr. David Gee, Chairman of the International Geological Congress, "For how many years must the planet cool before we begin to understand that the planet is not warming?"

I asked myself, why would such obviously smart guy say such a ridiculous thing? But it turns out he's right.

The earth's temperature peaked in 1998. It's been falling ever since; it dropped dramatically in 2007 and got worse in 2008, when temperatures touched 1980 levels.

Meanwhile, the University of Illinois' Arctic Climate Research Center released conclusive satellite photos showing that Arctic ice is back to 1979 levels. What's more, measurements of Antarctic ice now show that its accumulation is up 5 percent since 1980.

In other words, during what was supposed to be massive global warming, the biggest chunks of ice on earth grew larger. Just as an aside, do you remember when the hole in the ozone layer was going to melt Antarctica? But don't worry, we're safe now, that was the nineties.

Dr. Kunihiko, Chancellor of Japan's Institute of Science and Technology said this: "CO2 emissions make absolutely no difference one way or the other ... every scientist knows this, but it doesn't pay to say so." Now why would a learned man say such a crazy thing?

This is where the looney left gets lost. Their mantra is atmospheric CO2 levels are escalating and this is unquestionably causing earth's temperature rise. But ask yourself -- if global temperatures are experiencing the biggest sustained drop in decades, while CO2 levels continue to rise -- how can it be true?

Ironically, in spite of being shown false, we must now pray for it. Because a massive study, just released by the Russian Government, contains overwhelming evidence that earth is on the verge of another Ice Age.

Based on core samples from Russia's Vostok Station in Antarctica, we now know earth's atmosphere and temperature for the last 420,000 years. This evidence suggests that the 12,000 years of warmth we call the Holocene period is over.

Apparently, we're headed into an ice age of about 100,000 years -- give or take. As for CO2 levels, core samples show conclusively they follow the earth's temperature rise, not lead it.

It turns out CO2 fluctuations follow the change in sea temperature. As water temperatures rise, oceans release additional dissolved CO2 -- like opening a warm brewsky.

To think, early last year, liberals suggested we spend 45 trillion dollars and give up five million jobs to fix global warming. But there is good news: now that we don't have to spend any of that money, we can give it all to the banks.

John Tomlinson is a local conservative columnist for The Flint Journal. He lives in the Genesee County area.
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[IndyDurango]

Now...get on your trivia hats. Do you know the story of Jeffery Hunter, and the original ST pilot, and WHY that dumbass W. Shatner wound up getting the job? (My mom dated JH once).

Wiki just says Hunter wanted to go in diff directions and turned the studio down twice for Star Trek. ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Hunter
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cage_(TOS_episode)

IndyD

[Rigeldust]

im glad this thread caught on

[jplinville]

I'll be able to post more here in a few days...I have so many damned articles to reference that your eyes will bleed!!

BTW...Al Gore cheated off of me...I invented the internet, and global warming was my idea as well. Next he'll take my idea for mental masturbation!!

[IndyDurango]

We need more guys like this one. It's a good read!
http://www.kusi.com/weather/colemanscorner/38574742.html

Love it when "Bad Science" and "Global Warming" are debunked. Kudos to this guy. He is dead on right when he says with the existing players in office now, the only thing stopping us from wasting billions or trillions MORE dollars is the current economy and the last two years of record cold events. :clap2:

IndyDurango

[dak-rt-2a-XR]

We need more guys like this one. It's a good read!
http://www.kusi.com/weather/colemanscorner/38574742.html

Love it when "Bad Science" and "Global Warming" are debunked. Kudos to this guy. He is dead on right when he says with the existing players in office now, the only thing stopping us from wasting billions or trillions MORE dollars is the current economy and the last two years of record cold events. :clap2:

IndyDurango
very good article. Only wish he could get it out to more than San Diego

[96BlkDak]

Kudos Warren and 96BlkDak for the Pike catch. We can't spell out everything for the kiddies here. Sometimes it is good enough to stop with a heady reference even if you are the only one that gets it.

Trevor, Warren happens to know a little bit about this stuff from a past life. Just a little mind you. :jester:

IndyD

Now...get on your trivia hats. Do you know the story of Jeffery Hunter, and the original ST pilot, and WHY that dumbass W. Shatner wound up getting the job? (My mom dated JH once).

Wiki just says Hunter wanted to go in diff directions and turned the studio down twice for Star Trek. ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Hunter
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cage_(TOS_episode)

IndyD

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[IndyDurango]

So where are all the tree huggers now in the face of ClimateGate?

Anyone have a fork?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEiLgbBGKVk

IndyD

[Derbango]

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2009/12/al-gore-oscar-global-warming.html