Mustang Killer

[Redneck Dakota]

Whats up all. I am new to this site but not to Mopar. Anyway, I will get to point. I was going to buy a new Charger RT when they came out, but I am in the middle of buying a house and I now realize my Charger dreams are just that, dreams. I have a '03 Dakota 4.7 5-speed and I am now determined if I can't get the Charger, I am going to make this truck a Mustang Killer. I need to know the absolute best chip that you guys have used. I am not getting one that doesn't live up to its potential as money is tight now and I don't need to waste any of it. Any help or experience you all can provide will be appreciated.

[Helltime]

Not to be an ass or anything but WHY would you want one of those ugle NEW chargers. I like the old mopar muscle and if I had the money that is all I would own but a four door charger? When I saw that I was so mad at chrysler. They are being to lazy. As for your truck being a mustang killer I wish you luck. My dad has an 83 mustang 5.0 5speed and It will more then likely beat your truck but then again I can't say for sure because I have not driven a dakota like yours but I have driven the stang and all I can say is good luck. Most stangs run in the 10s and 11s with out NOS. People don't leave those stock. Oh and you will need more than a chip to do that.

[Redneck Dakota]

When I say Mustang Killer, I am talking about a low 14 second truck. Everybody knows that most Mustang GT's you see on the road are not 10 or 11 second cars, but instead 14 to 15 second cars. Not to mention a mid '80s GT doesn't even have 200 hp stock and ran mid to high 15 second quarter mile times. A low 14 second truck would put me right in the challenge of most of the Mustangs out there.

[Helltime]

Here in Iowa all mid 80s mustangs are build and do run around the 10s or 11s and My dads stang is mostly stock but it would still run high 14s if the clutch wasn't going out. And you get against any other mustang with a V8 from the 1990s or newer and your ass is grass. Trust me stangs are a little lighter and what I said before most people do not leave them stock.

[T.j.]

Yea I live in Iowa and these 10 and 11 second tangs you speak of dont grow on trees. I have seen hundreds probably thousands of those cars on the road and maybe 5 of em were built 10 sec cars. :sorry:

Redneck, change your pcm, do some intake, exhaust, and slap a paxton on that f*****, youll be sendin those mustangs out to pasture like theres no tomorrow.

[T.j.]

Btw redneck whats the stats on your truck? gears, cc or rc, lsd, etc. Besides the pcm change what else ya thinkin? Maybe a throttle body, CAI, exhaust. Its a 2x4 right? Just wondering, I love the 4.7 5 speeds :biggthump

[mopar rt]

You will need more then a chip to take on the 05 Mustangs. The V6 is putting out over 200 HP alone and with the new frame and traction improvements they will be hard to beat. The GT stock is at 300 HP getting it down the ¼ at 13.6 with the auto trans.

[Helltime]

T.j. go out to porkys this saturday night around 8pm because that is when the stangs start rolling in. Go out the wakuee to lund motors they have those or go out to the sugar shack in altoona may 25th at 5:30pm or to valley junction june 5. Most 10sec cars don't come out unless they are going to a special event like these or until after dark. Go to any of these places at these times and you will see what I am talking about. :biggthump And not to many newer mustangs are modified but around here almost all the 80s 5.0 are modified. :mullet:

[T.j.]

Hey guys I dont think he was saying "hey guys I want a chip so I can run 9's and have 900 h.p. what one should i get" I think hes starting to mod his truck and is starting with a chip.

Helltime: That was exactly my point, those are nice tangs but theyr not really street driven, they come out to shows etc liek you said. With gas prices these days :cussing: im surprised they take em to even the shows and special events. Cant be there either, gotta work :cussing: :sorry:

[mopar rt]

For starters drop in the HO cam and a new TB. A new set of headers with true duels along with the chip should get you going. I would open up the heads for the final touch. After all that you need to plant that extra power to the pavement, a set of 17 inch and maybe a new set of gears for the rear.

[Redneck Dakota]

In response to T.J., it is a reg cab short bed 2WD with a 3.55 open rear. All I have done so far is exhaust and just the K&N filter, not the whole cold air induction. You are right, I am not looking to run Vipers down, but here in DE, most of the kids that run 'stangs are puting more money into looks instead of speed. If I had to guess, I would say my truck is running low 15's now and I am beating some older GT's ( not to mention most Hondas). I figure a chip, headers, and a cold air intake should get me faster than 75% of the Delaware population of Mustangs. ( BTW, I am using Mustang GT's as a easily recognizable performance benchmark)

[Helltime]

Hey guys I dont think he was saying "hey guys I want a chip so I can run 9's and have 900 h.p. what one should i get" I think hes starting to mod his truck and is starting with a chip.

Helltime: That was exactly my point, those are nice tangs but theyr not really street driven, they come out to shows etc liek you said. With gas prices these days :cussing: im surprised they take em to even the shows and special events. Cant be there either, gotta work :cussing: :sorry:
That sucks that you have to work I was there and everyone is running vortec superchargers so I know my dad's stang won't hang with them. Ya most of the faster one's don't hit the street much. But that surprised me when I went to porkeys and all six stangs I saw with the hood up had vortec superchargers.

[bg99rt]

I Would Say Forget The Chip And Buy A Lightning Killer Package From Krcperformance.com. I Know I Know It Is $4799 But To Put Your Truck Into 13's I Would Think It Is Well Worth It!!

[Ben]

1. Not every Mustang on the road is a 10 sec car. A 83 Gt is not that fast at all stock, i think they were around 170hp.

2. I have a mostly stock 90 5.0 and you will need alot of work to beat my car.

3. The new charger is Ok, but does not live up to the name, but it is better that the 80's Charger.

[Helltime]

1. Good point about the 80s chargers I forgot about those because that was before my time.
2. I corrected my self in a later post that a few of them are 10sec. cars and they rarely hit the streets.
3. The 83 5.0 mustangs were rated at 175hp from the factory and I did not say they were that fast I was just using them as an example.
4. I do not know if you were talking about the truck not beating your stang or the 83 but the 83 is a better choice for building because it has a carb and it is not computer controlled so there is alot a person can do to get more power for cheaper and to beat a mostly stock 90 stang 5.0 I wouldn't have to do hardly anywork or spend hardly any money.

[WicKed R/T]

I Would Say Forget The Chip And Buy A Lightning Killer Package From Krcperformance.com. I Know I Know It Is $4799 But To Put Your Truck Into 13's I Would Think It Is Well Worth It!!

He has a 4.7 not a 5.2/5.9...FYI

[evilr2003]

i have a 2003 dakota 4.7 with headders and exhaust soo to be the gsmotor sports true duals. I have beaten 94 and 97 mustangs before with my auto. its the H.O you dont need to put the ho cams in its a waste go to www.krcpeformance.com they have some killer cams. I ran around 14.9 with just exhaust before the headders i dont know what im running now with the headders but i want to start adding performance since my suspension is done and body kit ect.. go with the superchips controller or get a custom flash for your dakota youll like it and up grade the clutch. The 4.7 really likes air so anything to get it more air would be great supercharger. With a paxton youll make 300 hp to the wheels on the dyno enought to blow a mustang to shits. and i had a 87 mustang who the hell says they run 10 and 11 stock i had to put a 351 in mine to get it to run fucking 11.4 crazy people ! good luck

[Helltime]

I don't think we will every see one run 10s STOCK but modified yes. The mid 90s mustangs so I have heard get their power at a higher rpm range so a dakota with almost any V8 could get one of those off the line if it was stock.

[TraMotorsports]

dude. quit talking. i can eat mustangs in my truck and it isn't even fast.

[Helltime]

On my last post I meant a stock dakota could beat a mid 90s mustang.

[MoparDrvn]

GEEZE Fellas Just have a whipout contest & get it over with!!!! all I know is I an beat ANY mustang without major mods :)

[Redneck Dakota]

Hey guys, thanks for the tips. I am glad I could start some contreversy on my first post. :biggthump Anyway, with the Camaro gone, I guess the fight is between the Daks and Stangs now. Oh well, happy hunting and any more info any one has to help me will be appreciated.

[Helltime]

GEEZE Fellas Just have a whipout contest & get it over with!!!! all I know is I an beat ANY mustang without major mods :)
I am sure you could it looks like you got a sweet truck there. I wish the one my dad is giving me was that nice.

[Neil]

I'm not meaning to flame anyone but some of this info here is a bit off. I've held off enough. As a Mustang owner for 16 years, and very knowledgeable in the Stang world, a stock Dak is not going to blow away a stock V-8 Mustang. A Dak weighs 500-700 lbs more than a typical V-8 Mustang. The stock Dak does not have much more HP, so do the math. Modifications for the 5.0 and 4.6 are plentiful and easy to come by. There are far more modified Mustangs around. In S. NJ it's hard to find a stock one. A stock 5 speed 87-93 5.0, depending on the driver, is mid-high 13's to low 14's. A stock Dak is nowhere that.

With that said, take it to the track. Trying to compare and boast that you blew away "xxxx" car on the street is not a real measure (and stupid). Stoplight wars are no comparison.

[Ben]

I'm not meaning to flame anyone but some of this info here is a bit off. I've held off enough. As a Mustang owner for 16 years, and very knowledgeable in the Stang world, a stock Dak is not going to blow away a stock V-8 Mustang. A Dak weighs 500-700 lbs more than a typical V-8 Mustang. The stock Dak does not have much more HP, so do the math. Modifications for the 5.0 and 4.6 are plentiful and easy to come by. There are far more modified Mustangs around. In S. NJ it's hard to find a stock one. A stock 5 speed 87-93 5.0, depending on the driver, is mid-high 13's to low 14's. A stock Dak is nowhere that.

With that said, take it to the track. Trying to compare and boast that you blew away "xxxx" car on the street is not a real measure (and stupid). Stoplight wars are no comparison.
Very well put man, thats what i was trying to say, that a stock or mostly stock Dak is not going to smoke a 90's 5.0. I love how the Mustang is always the benchmark to beat. It Makes me proud that i own one. :drive:

[T.j.]

Mustang Blah Dakota Blah, who cares, theyr both cool vehicles and both can be modified to the teeth. But believe you me.... a fast dakota is a shitload cooler then a fast mustang AND YOU ALL KNOW IT

.02

[Helltime]

I'm not meaning to flame anyone but some of this info here is a bit off. I've held off enough. As a Mustang owner for 16 years, and very knowledgeable in the Stang world, a stock Dak is not going to blow away a stock V-8 Mustang. A Dak weighs 500-700 lbs more than a typical V-8 Mustang. The stock Dak does not have much more HP, so do the math. Modifications for the 5.0 and 4.6 are plentiful and easy to come by. There are far more modified Mustangs around. In S. NJ it's hard to find a stock one. A stock 5 speed 87-93 5.0, depending on the driver, is mid-high 13's to low 14's. A stock Dak is nowhere that.

With that said, take it to the track. Trying to compare and boast that you blew away "xxxx" car on the street is not a real measure (and stupid). Stoplight wars are no comparison.
Thank you! I thought I was the only one trying to defend mustangs. I started to give in to them because nobody was backing me up.

[Redneck Dakota]

I know my stock Dak is not as fast as a Mustang. In fact, that is the whole point of this post. I am trying to make my truck a little faster for not a load of money. This is amusing to watch though. :jester:

[Helltime]

I know you aren't trying to beat mustangs with your stock truck and the rest of us that know that are wondering if this is just where you plan to start or if you think you are going to beat'em with just a chip. Some of the others are saying they beat them with there stock or "mostly" stock trucks. Of coarse you could beat a stock mustang with your truck if your definition of "mostly" stock is all the bolt ons made for it.

[Redneck Dakota]

The chip is only one of the things I need to buy for this truck. I already know that. But I do need to start somewhere.

[Neil]

The only "chip" available is from Jet and it is for the 5.2/5.9. Plus the chip is a waste of money anyway. You options are Hypertech or Superchips programmers. Both work well on the 4.7. The other option is a new flash for the PCM from KRC or B&G Chrysler.

[realdeal7369]

Whats up all. I am new to this site but not to Mopar. Anyway, I will get to point. I was going to buy a new Charger RT when they came out, but I am in the middle of buying a house and I now realize my Charger dreams are just that, dreams. I have a '03 Dakota 4.7 5-speed and I am now determined if I can't get the Charger, I am going to make this truck a Mustang Killer. I need to know the absolute best chip that you guys have used. I am not getting one that doesn't live up to its potential as money is tight now and I don't need to waste any of it. Any help or experience you all can provide will be appreciated.

the chip is a waste of money. you want to wast money, send it to me...lol :joke:

power=money....how fast you want to go?

hypertech programmer, get a new cam for it, supercharger, headers, full tuned exhaust (ceramic coated too....it helps ), 4.10 gears, shift kit in the trans, trans cooler, k&n filter or something like that, should get that thing moving pretty good. would be VERY repectible im my book.!

ever test out your truck at the track yet to get a baseline?

[99durngo318]

I kinda like the new charger but not the fact that they are calling it the charger. If they were calling it something else I would really like it. but i think since GM screwed up the GTO chrysler had to fire back. (I think that GM screwed up the GTO's name more than chrysler screwed up the chargers name) lol but hey, thats just my 2 cents.



thanks, Abe :wave:

[supradakotaman]

the charger looks better in person than it does in pictures...though the tailights look like an intrepid which is stupid...similarly the gto looks better in person but the front end looks like a grand prix again, stupid...gm should have kept the holden monaro front end since it looks 10x better and besides it is a monaro anyways. I don't quite get the 4 door charger though...should be a coupe...if you want a sedan, get the 300c.

[realdeal7369]

screw it, drop in a 408 stroker, supercharge the shit out of it. have fun spankin mustang ass...

its fun in my truck, they think i have something, by the way she looks..LOL :rofl: :rofl:

working on that one though, ill post pics of the progress soon. gathering parts right now. im hoping my the middle of next month, ill start putting the block back together. sunday, im taking the heads off, going to get them shaved a little, going to port out and massage the intake, clean up the exhaust ports up a bit (esspeciall when the new headers get here), ceramic coat the headers on the outside, thermal barrier on the inside, may do the whole exhaust...

should prove to be alot of fun..

[Helltime]

I kinda like the new charger but not the fact that they are calling it the charger. If they were calling it something else I would really like it. but i think since GM screwed up the GTO chrysler had to fire back. (I think that GM screwed up the GTO's name more than chrysler screwed up the chargers name) lol but hey, thats just my 2 cents.



thanks, Abe :wave:
I also think GM screwed up the GTO name because now it looks like a bloated caviler.

[Redneck Dakota]

Word on the street is that Dodge will make a 2 door version of the Charger, with another old muscle car name( not sure witch one they will use). I really hope this is true.

[Redneck Dakota]

I just remembered, they are supposed to call it a Challenger.

[scat_pack_dal]

.... yeah and a 2009 model so hold your horses. once again d-c is getting in the game too late esp. with gas prices and how a gabillion mustangs will be sold by then. d-c needs to get its act together

[whitelighting13]

hey redneck where u from in DE, iam from dover myself, sounds like u want to do to ur dak what i want to do to mine, well good luck with it and hope u can beat all stangs and ricers when u get done with it.

[SSRage]

In response to T.J., it is a reg cab short bed 2WD with a 3.55 open rear. All I have done so far is exhaust and just the K&N filter, not the whole cold air induction. You are right, I am not looking to run Vipers down, but here in DE, most of the kids that run 'stangs are puting more money into looks instead of speed. If I had to guess, I would say my truck is running low 15's now and I am beating some older GT's ( not to mention most Hondas). I figure a chip, headers, and a cold air intake should get me faster than 75% of the Delaware population of Mustangs. ( BTW, I am using Mustang GT's as a easily recognizable performance benchmark)

Hey, Redneck, this is coming from a fellow 4.7L V8 owner. The following is what I would recomend for yours (mainly because it is what I have planned for mine):

1. 3.92 gears with limited slip differential (I've got the 3.55 open and I light up one all the time with no traction at all)

2. Superchips programmer. It does more than just add horsepower.

3. KRC 206 Cams

4. GS Motorsports headers and true dual exhaust

5. Hotchkis TVS kit (the better the truck handles is always a good thing, help stiffen up the launch too)

6. Good tires (I picked up a set of Nitto NT450 Extreme performance tires and had them wrapped around my set of 17x9" R/T rims... love them! Well worth the money!)

7. Supercharger (or Nos, your choice)... either a Kenne Bell or a Paxton.

Realistically its going to take everybit of that to beat 75% of the Stang's out there. You won't be able to touch a moderately modified one but, to beat a stock one would be great! I used to own a 1993 LX 5.0 that had a heavily modified 347 ci motor, Paxton Novi 2000 blower, Tremec 5 speed tranny, and 3.73 gears and it ran the fastest at 11.3 and I was slipping off the line. I sold it because gas got to high and it just wasn't worth it to park it in the garage. I seriously doubt you will be able to take any mustang that is running in the 12's and under. I've seen 600hp Dakota's only run a 12.6 sec quarter... these trucks will only go so fast. Now... if you want to do it right... somebody on this site has an '02 white club cab with a 4.7L and running twin turbos on it and ran an 11.48 and scared the living shit out of the camaro next to him. The video is on this site somewhere. But, you are looking at a ton of time and a ton of money. Now, I'll stop talking so you can finish reading all this. My 2 cents.

[Five9Dak]

We used to own a mustang, and maybe of my friends have them. My truck is faster then our mustang was. Stock for stock. And the mods we did to versus the mods I have on mine now. It was a 96 GT convertible automatic, just about the slowest GT combo ever.

That being said

Ferget the tuner for now, racers are won in teh first 60 feet. You NEED to get an lsd and some gears. Those 3.55 arent gonna cut it for that 4.7, she loves to rev.

If you going to stay with the factory height tire go for
automatic: 4.56
Manual: 4.10

27 inch tire
auto: 4.10
manual 3.92

Do the axle and the lsd at the same time. Skip the tuners, build the motor up, then get a custom flash. Get a real CAI, 70mm TB, Ho intake, krc cams, headers, true dual exhaust, then a custom tune.

Get caltrac traction bars, and either DR or some slicks for the track.

But before you do anything, go get a BASELINE at the track!