Power Wire -- Buyer Beware!!

[bwdakrt]

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I recently purchased a Power Wire from AIR RAM just to see if it lived up to the claims. IMHO, these are the results:

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The POWER WIRE should not be confused with the "E-bay Mystery Mods" that just claim to give you HP without any explanation as to how that particular mod works... But we try to equip you with the information you need to make the best decision for your performance quest.
When installed the POWER WIRE alters the signal to your PCM making it think the intake air temperature is 20 degrees cooler than the actual temperature at "ALL TIMES". This timing advance is worth approximately 8-10RWHP

This is a "PLUG & PLAY" MOD... We have done all the work for you! Gain 8-10HP and 1-2MPG in less than 1 minute, no wires to cut, no tools needed, will not harm your PCM!!! What more could you ask for?

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Needless to say, this is nothing but a $.49 radio shack 4.7 ohm resistor wraped up in a fancy package. This is NOT a simple plug and play set up due to the mismatched connectors on the ends. You have to spread the 2 tabs that plug into the stock connector apart and squezze the 2 prongs inside the IAT sensor together before it will hook up. Before I installed it, I pulled a couple plugs as a plug check which had a good light grey color, hooked up my scanner to the OBDII port and went for a test run. After the engine came up to operating temp, my IAT sensor (which is still in the manifold) was reading the incoming air temp at 84-87 deg. I punched it to WOT and the avg MPG on my overhead console DROPPED LIKE A ROCK with very little to no increase in power!! Pulled over and removed the PW and connected my IAT sensor back to the stock harness and continued on with the test run. The incoming air temp was reading 134-137 deg and my overhead console showed a drop in avg MPG at WOT but no where near as drastic. I stopped and installed the PW again and did a WOT run and shut down the engine before coasting into my driveway for another plug check. Plug tips were BLACK showing a very pig rich fuel mixture. The outside temp was 77 deg and sunny. The power wire showed a difference of 50 deg to the PCM and was dumping fuel like there was no tomorrow. I wasn't happy with the results so I took my truck on a controlled test run on Interstate 40 reasonably flat road. I drove 210 miles round trip with cruise set a 65 mph which is 2000 rpm on my truck. I averaged 2 mpg LESS with the PW installed than what I normally do. Another plug check showed the same black tip. Here are a few pics of this supposedly "PLUG & PLAY" install:

Picture you see on the website
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d97/01dakrt/PowerWire003-1.jpg

This is what the connector ends look like
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d97/01dakrt/PowerWire007.jpg

Stock connection
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d97/01dakrt/PowerWire008.jpg

Power Wire connected to the IAT sensor
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d97/01dakrt/PowerWire012.jpg

Power Wire connected to the IAT stock wiring harness connector
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d97/01dakrt/PowerWire014.jpg

As you can see, the fit of the "PLUG & PLAY" connectors are not even close. I feel that moisture is going to be a very big issue. On my truck there was no way to hide these God awful ugly connections. I did return the PW for my refund which took me 12 days and 2 emails to get. In addition, I'm out of pocket $1.61 return postage, 1/2 tank of gas and the cost of a new set of plugs.

I'm just relaying my experience and yours may be different. If you have a POWER WIRE installed on your truck or car, please feel free to voice your opinion. As for myself, there is no way I could justifiy the $40 GB price ($55 regular price) for a $.49 fancy wrapped resistor that looked like crap and caused me to lose 2 mpg.

[JTE502]

I too also bought the power wire during the group buy. I also did a couple other things when I installed it so I can't really judge its performance by itself, but I had no problems installing it. The plugs went in just fine on mine, and the truck runs fine with it also. I'm going to the dyno next week and am going to do a pull with the power wire on and one with it off and see what the results are. Stay tuned! :D

[hskrRT]

I've said this before in the past about it being just a fancy packaged cheap resistor you could get from radioshack. As far as performance, I still haven't figured out how you can increase your MPG by tricking the computer into thinking the incoming air is colder than actual. The colder the air coming in, the more fuel the PCM will use to compensate for the higher oxygen content of the incoming air, or at least what it thinks is colder incoming air. I've had an adjustable resistor on my IAT before that actually allowed me to make the PCM think the incoming air was hotter than it actually was. Now that gained me MPG, but also caused me to ping under WOT. It's better to not try and trick the PCM and to just get a custom tune.

[Bad_banana]

^^ agreed. I had an adjustable also, noticed better gains when air was colder than pcm thought.

[bwdakrt]

Colder Air = Richer Fuel Mixture, More Power

Warmer Air = Leaner Fuel Mixture, More MPG

AIR RAM claims the Power Wire will give add 8-10 RWHP and an increase of 1.5 - 2 MPG. There is no way you can have both at the same time because the PCM will not let that happen.

[JTE502]

Read some more of his posts...his claims are that it will give you the hp increase at WOT, and the mileage increase at part throttle but worse mileage at WOT.

[bwdakrt]

I made a 210 mile round trip on Interstate highway with cruise set on 65 mph and turning 2000-2200 rpm, weather was sunny and 77 deg and STILL lost 2 mpg. I would consider that as being light throttle.

[JTE502]

Ugh well that doesnt sound too great. I havent done any mpg testing with it yet on mine but its not sounding good. Will be interesting to hear what AIR RAM has to say about this.

[viperkota]

The incoming air temp was reading 134-137 deg The outside temp was 77 deg and sunny. The power wire showed a difference of 50 deg to the PCM and was dumping fuel like there was no tomorrow.



wow...your intake read that hot on that cold of a day? mine hasnt even read that hot on a hot texas summer day...but my IAT is at the filter which is behind the bumper. maybe this is a mod i need. when i did the dyno it was running pretty lean and cant really afford the SCT yet. here is my dyno sheet.

http://www.dakota-durango.com/forum/showthread.php?t=44996

[addicted2blue00]

sorry yall but like i said in the group buy thread for it, almost like or is no different then switchin the sensor to the intake tube, all i noticed different was 1hp on the dyno and decrease in mpg, no different then this, i was able to try this because i got a hold of another sensor and it stays in the intake tube, this way i could just swap the plug around when i wanted and not the sensor back n forth

[bwdakrt]

sorry yall but like i said in the group buy thread for it, almost like or is no different then switchin the sensor to the intake tube, all i noticed different was 1hp on the dyno and decrease in mpg, no different then this, i was able to try this because i got a hold of another sensor and it stays in the intake tube, this way i could just swap the plug around when i wanted and not the sensor back n forth

Like I said earlier, it's either more power or less mpg, you can't have it both ways and you just confimed it!

[Duner]

I just love threads like this one.

People get their panties in a bunch and start jumping up and down, waving their arms in the air and bitching that they didn't like the product they bought, even after they were refunded their money. Now said parties want to branch out from forum to forum to crucify the maker of the product they didn't like - and got their money refunded from. Then in the next sentence they bitch that not enough people make aftermarket parts for Dakotas. Gee, I wonder why? Does anybody else see a trend here?

PowerWire is exactly the kind of product that everybody thinks they want. It's relatively inexpensive, and makes "X" amount of power, and gets better fuel mileage. Just plug and play. Unfortunately, things don't usually work that way. There are no "magic" plug and play modules, boxes, adapters or wires that will make any significant difference in performance or mileage. And usually those two things are mutually exclusive anyway. The theory behind this mod is sound enough. Trick the PCM into thinking the air is cooler. It advances the timing and sends more fuel. The additional timing helps performance, and over time, the long term fuel trim will tame the excess fuel. It just takes enough start/run cycles for the PCM to figure it out. But of course, while the PCM is learning - you're mileage suffers. And then of course, the new customer thinks that the "magic" mod was going to all of a sudden turn his truck into a dragster is disappointed. Just like they were with the spacer, or magnets, or whatever else kind of $$$cheap mod that was tried. Every modification made to your vehicle will be a tradeoff. You'll gain something somewhere and lose it somewhere else. Any mod that's marketed as all gain is subject to scrutiny.

You guys want to go faster? Save your money and buy REAL performance parts like cams, headers, throttle bodies, gears, custom programmed PCMs, superchargers, turbos or nitrous. They aren't quite as easy as a plug and play wire, but who said it was supposed to be easy?

[bwdakrt]

[QUOTE=Duner;963546]I just love threads like this one.

People get their panties in a bunch and start jumping up and down, waving their arms in the air and bitching that they didn't like the product they bought, even after they were refunded their money. Now said parties want to branch out from forum to forum to crucify the maker of the product they didn't like - and got their money refunded from. Then in the next sentence they bitch that not enough people make aftermarket parts for Dakotas. Gee, I wonder why? Does anybody else see a trend here?

:D I love 'em too because they make people aware of products that are totally worthless! You make it sound like that just because he refunded my money that all should be forgotten. The point of this whole thread is for people to have enough information so they will not to make the same mistake that I did and they can learn from my experience. This thread "branched" out to this forum because this is where the PW is being sold. The only trend that I see here is the one where a totally worthless product is being represented as a HP and MPG mod that has absolutely no data, other than testimonials, to back up the advertised claims. All he has to do is show some proof of where he has personally tested his product and that ALL the claims that he is making are true. In other words, "PUT UP or SHUT UP"!

[03'Dakota]

Dwight you should post the link to the thread on DakUSA so people can see the back and forth over there also. just a thought as long as Sin is ok with it....

[bwdakrt]

Dwight you should post the link to the thread on DakUSA so people can see the back and forth over there also. just a thought as long as Sin is ok with it....

A link is not necessary. Everybody can bounce back and forth if they wish and post up in either one they want to.

[ScojoDak]

Daddy always told me... if it sounds too good to be true, well, you know the rest.

[AIR_RAM]

Sorry I have not been around lately guys my website server was unplugged/moved without my knowing so I'm running around trying to get the site back up.

This is more of a case of IMPOSSIBLE customer then bad product.

YES he did NOT get the gains expected and he even had performance issues. But for what ever reasons HE is not the norm although he would like you to think he is the final word when it comes to mods and since HE says it doesnt work then by god it must be the case for everyone.

The FACTS:

He contacted me first day complaining about the connectors, clearly upset that it was not what he had expected prior to installing it. He asked about a refund and I said FINE NO PROBLEM but you may want to test it out prior to sending it back.

Unfortunately HE did not see favorable gains... and he seemed to have some fuel issues with it installed.... But his issues do not mean the same results will be for everyone... it just means with his application he had issues and it did not work as expected. Fair enough, I cant please everyone and there are combinations in which the POWER WIRE would not be beneficial.

The Refund was on the table and he took advantage of it... but he is now on a quest to save the world from the POWER WIRE....LOL Comical in a way.

I was starting to lean his way and think that this may be a 5.9L issue... but to date we have only had HIS issue and one other report of a rich mixture but no where nearly as bad as his. So I'm starting to think it had more to do with his application then anything else.

Please do search the "POWER WIRE" and see for your self, you will NOT find any other post like the one above... after 3500+ wires sold, most to the 2002-up Dodge Ram Crowd we have a great track record.

It is possible that the 2001-back Rams need a warmer setting... and I do plan to look into it and see if the 2001 sensor reads differently. If so then this would mean the 2001-back trucks would requirer a NEW POWER WIRE to alter the signal to the PCM differently. We would have been more than happy to work with him on this but the only thing he was interested in was flaming.

Excuses me I need to get my site up... I will check in periodically.

Rest assured that although I'm fairly new to the Dakota/Durango world I'm not new to the Dodge world. We have been around working with and helping Dodge Owners gain more performance for several years now and have EARNED quite a good reputation in doing so. Our POWER WIRE is EXTREMELY popular to the Ram community and the only difference between them is they are bigger. The POWER WIRE is known to do everything we have advertised it to do. If it doest then we do offer a full no hassle refund. You literally have NOTHING to lose.


And I would like to personally thank bwdakrt for the feedback we need to improve our products. Without it we would not be able to make our already GREAT product better. He has led us to take a closer look at the 2001 5.9L... so Kodos to bwdakrt aka "OLD MAN" for your help.

Although his post is a bit misleading he did receive GREAT customer support and service... He was just unhappy with the results.

SPEED SAFE, AIR RAM

[03'Dakota]

ok same thing here as on DakUSA, if your so sure of your product and have tested it as much as you say you should have no issues putting some dyno sheets up here..... I am still waiting to see the sheets

[AIR_RAM]

Here is the first Flame he started on Dakota USA, clearly has only one thing on his mind.

http://www.dakotausa.com/vBulletin/showthread.php?t=40633


Also you will note they did ask for DYNO RESULTS... We did have them done, and although I hate to say it they where lost 2 years ago when my computer crashed. So at this moment I do NOT have DYNO results on the POWER WIRE available to me.

Also Racinartist, You think you have an issue with me but we have NEVER spoken, I was not even following that tread when it took place. Your issue was with another forum member who was promoting the Group Purchase of the POWER WIRE to HELP you increase performance. Although the 2001-back 5.9L is in question, you may want to do some of your own "Research" and become slightly more informed before you tag along on a flame hunt... The POWER WIRE does work well with your 2003 Dak... the only question is if it works as advertised with the 2001-back 5.9L. You can either go on this ONE 2001- back 5.9L complaint or look up all the success with the 3.7l 4.7L & 5.7L applications.

There is no better form of advertising then actual customer feedback. You all want DYNOs... but if I where to post a DYNO you would then say "INDEPENDENT" DYNO's.... and thats exactly what a customers DYNO would be. We don't pay our customers to advertise for us. They do it because they experience the gains in question here. By the standards you guys have raised, your saying OK... If its a NEGATIVE FLAME then its got to be true for all applications BUT if its a POSITIVE post about the product then its not good enough... LOL

Bottom line, believe what you like... I do recommend you do your own research to make sure your getting informed completely. Because if you stop on this tread and take it as FACT then you have been mislead and misinformed which is the intent of the originator of the tread.

I dont have much time to go back and forth with you guys, when I get our site up I will come back to play with you.


SPEED SAFE, AIR RAM

[03'Dakota]

so dyno sheets? you didn't respond on Dakusa... so now I will come bug you over here... shit for 50 bucks I would defiantly buy one... but not without dyno sheets. lots of people want to see them....

honestly do you not have sheets to prove all your claims? were you guessing on what might happen when you installed the power wire?

[03'Dakota]

and also in his first post he said nothing bad about you just simple in his opinion like it says at the very top it didn't meet his standards. this didn't start as a flame war man... it shouldn't need to go that far. I should warn you tho, he hates being called old man or grandpa by people he ain't friends with... your stirring up this situation and asking for problems....

[AIR_RAM]

ok same thing here as on DakUSA, if your so sure of your product and have tested it as much as you say you should have no issues putting some dyno sheets up here..... I am still waiting to see the sheets


And honestly I would love to post them... I really don't have them, they where done on my 4.7L and a customers 5.7L over 4 years ago and when my computer crashed about 2 years ago they went with it... But feedback was nearly 100% positive and we did not need to provide a DYNO graph in years. Honestly even when we did have them people would suggest we fudged them in some way. But in the last few years we have not needed them do to the feedback.

BUT you may want to do a search on your own on your favorite forum to see what actual customers have to say about it... why wouldn't other post from actual customers be any lesser then this negative post? Make note of the YEAR and size of the engine... as this may show trends to specific applications that may be of interest to you.

I do feel that since we are fairly new to the DAK/DUR community that we may have the DYNO's done again to show the gains.

I also feel that the 2001-Back applications may requirer a different wire.

SPEED SAFE, AIR RAM

[AIR_RAM]

and also in his first post he said nothing bad about you just simple in his opinion like it says at the very top it didn't meet his standards. this didn't start as a flame war man... it shouldn't need to go that far. I should warn you tho, he hates being called old man or grandpa by people he ain't friends with... your stirring up this situation and asking for problems....

If you follow the other forum you will see how it gets turned all upside down and around... He has a whole lot to do with it changing from "just information" to un-founded attacks. So using the term "OLD MAN" is a nice way to address him as I'm not trying to be his friend nor am I bound by his "CHILDISH" rules.

SPEED SAFE, AIR RAM

[Dustinmc15]

Wow all this over $40, and its really nothing because it was refunded. Why dont we all gang up on on K&n and flowmaster or any other aftermarket company? they advertise much larger hp and mpg gains than the power wire and charge 5 times more, and Im sure I am not getting the horsepower that they advertise. And I guarantee you that if you ask for a dyno sheet for your specific truck you would not get one. They probably wouldnt even respond to your request. I also gaurentee you that if you installed it and didnt think you got the hp or mpg that they claim they would not give you a refund so easily. AIR_RAM gave a quick refund, and is actually listening to feedback and dyno requests which is better then any other vendor Ive dealt with. And I think that under the correct conditions the power wire would provide the advertised gains, but it is silly to think that the exact same power wire would provide the exact same gains for different engines with different modifications. With that in mind i think it is good that people post up their negative results so AIR_RAM can make the necessary adjustments for different types of trucks, but it is not good to claim the the power wire is junk and would not work for other trucks just because it didnt work for yours.

[bwdakrt]

If you follow the other forum you will see how it gets turned all upside down and around... He has a whole lot to do with it changing from "just information" to un-founded attacks. So using the term "OLD MAN" is a nice way to address him as I'm not trying to be his friend nor am I bound by his "CHILDISH" rules.

SPEED SAFE, AIR RAM

Now, Now!! Is that a nice way to speak to someone just because they didn't tell you what you wanted to hear? Shame on YOU!!!!

You are advertising the Power Wire will add 8-10 RWHP and 1.5 - 2 MGP on engine sizes and year models that you have never even raised the hood on just because you got some positive feedback on the 2002 and up 4.7L and 5.7L. You keep asking everyboby to do some research and read about all the positive responses about the Power Wire but you yourself can not furnish any hard data to back up you claims.

You keep saying that there is something wrong with my truck but without the Power Wire my truck runs and preforms great. I know of 2 other guys that have posted in this thread in the negative to the Power Wire and you instantly jumped on them too. I can see that NEGATIVE FEEDBACK REALLY WADS UP YOU PANTIES!! And you you call me CHILDISH!

I think I will let some of the other guys on these forums ask the questions and see if you can answer their's because up to this point, you've been unable to answer any of mine!

[hskrRT]

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Don't waste your $50 for this mod. Go buy a variety of resistors from Radioshack, spend less than $10 and find the one that works best for you. I think I paid like $30 for my IAT adjuster when I had it that was a lot more complicated and had more expense put into it than this and it was adjustable.

It's been brought up, but not addressed. You are basing your hp and mpg gains on a totally different platform than what the product was sold for in this case. To expect the same hp and mpg gains on every vehicle puts your "power wire" in the same category as the Ebay resistor mods, because in reality it is the same thing, just in a fancier plug and play package.

This mod has been done for years on these trucks as a "track only" mod usually because of the negative mpg results. But that is on the Magnum V8 trucks, not the 3.7/4.7/5.7 line that you originally tested it on. As I said, I had an adjustable style on my truck. It worked great to add extra fuel, but what I and many others found out, is our trucks are fairly rich as it is and we didn't really need the extra fuel it adds.

[moore_716]

Dustin I understand all your points, but you said this yourself, " And I think that under the correct conditions the power wire would provide the advertised gains, but it is silly to think that the exact same power wire would provide the exact same gains for different engines with different modifications." I agree with you 100%.
Airram states this though himself.
The POWER WIRE will fit:

* Fits all 2000-UP 3.7L, 4.7L, 5.2L, 5.7L & 5.9L engines
* Works with ANY/ALL stock or aftermarket induction system
* May also fit many other 2000 to present Dodge vehicles

*NEW* The =POWER=WIRE=> Now installs on these new vehicles:

* 2005 Dodge Magnum RT
* 2006 Dodge Charger 3.5L V6

[mamasboy]

hmm,,recieved mine in the mail last week, can't get it to plug into the receptacle of the sensor-also with the k&n fipk setup the one brace is in the way, will try again when it warms up-

[Dustinmc15]

Dustin I understand all your points, but you said this yourself, " And I think that under the correct conditions the power wire would provide the advertised gains, but it is silly to think that the exact same power wire would provide the exact same gains for different engines with different modifications." I agree with you 100%.
Airram states this though himself.
The POWER WIRE will fit:

* Fits all 2000-UP 3.7L, 4.7L, 5.2L, 5.7L & 5.9L engines
* Works with ANY/ALL stock or aftermarket induction system
* May also fit many other 2000 to present Dodge vehicles

*NEW* The =POWER=WIRE=> Now installs on these new vehicles:

* 2005 Dodge Magnum RT
* 2006 Dodge Charger 3.5L V6

Yes, but no where does it state gains for each individual engine it just says it will fit. I agree it may be a little misleading, but back to my point, Ive seen much worse from almost every other after market company, and no one is giving them such a hard time. I understand bwdakrt's point and that he is disappointed with the performance on his truck, but it should have been left at that. I don't like seeing AIR_RAM get bashed when it seems like he is an honest guy doing what he can to satisfy his customers and has been an asset to this website.

[tosterho]

Dustin you know what gets me is he is saying that the gains nick said you would get he didn't. That is true. He got his refund with no haggle. Any other company would not give him a refund. Every bolt on that I have seen has bragged more power than I have ever seen. Simply stated as far as white dak is concerned (meaning related to his vechicle) Product didn't work and Nick refunded his money. THE END Nick is a great guy willing to help and losing a vendor over nothing in my opinion would be stupid. Get the f@ck over it u got your money back!

[Max713]

wow this is one hell of a topic... wut forum isnt it on yet? after reading every long...long post (airram apparently loves 2 type), i guess you cud come up with a conclusion...
the old man bought the wire, did REAL research on it and now wants to inform the rest of us about it. and yes i can call him old man because he IS my friend. dwight has always been very... shall we say firm on topics concerning scamming, laundering, and any other bullshit that happens today, as you can see from his posts he very much so believes that there is something seriously wrong in this case.
I do agree that airram dealt with this topic proffessionally BUT in no way did he deal with it correctly; he claims thousands of satisfied customers but not in one single post on these forums have i seen any positive feedback, if I am wrong please give me a link to any positive feedback... secondly, you repeatedly tell of these PROVEN results but have not showed us ANY real proof wut so ever! this leads me to believe that you are very good at talking your way out of situations without showing any real proof.
You say that you lost your dyno results 2 years ago when ur computer crashed... this is understandable as computers do break, seemingly more often then not in my hands...:rant: u say u lost this data 2 years ago... 2 years ago??? WTF with all this R&D you speak of ur telling us you have not gotten new dyno sheets for 2 years? 2 years of technology u have not tested? I am expecting you to caome back with that u do not re-dyno something for older years that will obviously not change... well every true business wants to better itself constantly, ur telling me u think u got it down absolutely perfect and are not trying to improve any previous products?
Airram, i have no personal problems with you and i complement u on not becoming erash(sp) and responding in an unproffessional manner... I do however have a big problem with how you run your supposed business and your lack of any apparent R&D or further improvement...
finally, i would like to thank you old man for bringing this to everyones attention! with you always bud!\

max

[4point7dak]

I do agree that airram dealt with this topic proffessionally BUT in no way did he deal with it correctly; he claims thousands of satisfied customers but not in one single post on these forums have i seen any positive feedback, if I am wrong please give me a link to any positive feedback... secondly, you repeatedly tell of these PROVEN results but have not showed us ANY real proof wut so ever! this leads me to believe that you are very good at talking your way out of situations without showing any real proof.
You say that you lost your dyno results 2 years ago when ur computer crashed... this is understandable as computers do break, seemingly more often then not in my hands...:rant: u say u lost this data 2 years ago... 2 years ago??? WTF with all this R&D you speak of ur telling us you have not gotten new dyno sheets for 2 years? 2 years of technology u have not tested? I am expecting you to caome back with that u do not re-dyno something for older years that will obviously not change... well every true business wants to better itself constantly, ur telling me u think u got it down absolutely perfect and are not trying to improve any previous products?
Airram, i have no personal problems with you and i complement u on not becoming erash(sp) and responding in an unproffessional manner... I do however have a big problem with how you run your supposed business and your lack of any apparent R&D or further improvement...
finally, i would like to thank you old man for bringing this to everyones attention! with you always bud!\

max

look on dodgetalk, i read pages and pages of good reviews under airrams forum section because i do through reseach before i buy somthing. if your so big on "R&D" u would have seen in the powerwire groupbuy thread where i posted that i was pleased with mine and you would have also found the links airram provided to a 13+ page thread on dodgetalk with almost all positive reviews.


i think this whole uproar is all because 4.7 and 5.9s are very different engines. i relate this alot to superchips programmed on a 4.7 versuses the superchips on a 5.9. the 4.7 owners are very pleased and see a good couple 1/10s knocked off their 1/4 mile times where as the 5.9 owners have much less sucess with them and alot of them just use it to remove the speed limiter.

granted im not saying dwight is wrong or what not i just think he has a very different engine from what the vast power wire market seems to be for; the hemis and 4.7s.

[hskrRT]

granted im not saying dwight is wrong or what not i just think he has a very different engine from what the vast power wire market seems to be for; the hemis and 4.7s.

That's what he is getting at. The Powerwire is marketed no differently to the 5.9/5.2L guys than it is the 4.7L and Hemi guys. But the motor and PCM are different and nothing is going to work the same on different combos. He admits never having tested his product himself on a 5.9L powered Dakota, but yet he still advertises the same power gains and mileage gains for them, which in essence is false advertising.

As far the the person who brought up K&N and other large companies, I guarantee that they have tested their product on every application they have it listed for. And the gains they claim were achieved, but only in a controlled environment, which is why you will probably never see those exact numbers in real life.

[moore_716]

4point7dak
How does the Power wire get rid of the speed limiter?

[4point7dak]

4point7dak
How does the Power wire get rid of the speed limiter?

i said superchips gets rid of the speed limiter.

[SinCity R/T]

I am going to make a "pro-vendor" statement that is based off of personal observations over the years - this is meant to be generic in nature that (to me) applies to all vendors, not just this particular situation.

When it comes to dyno sheets for products... I think it's very unreasonable to demand "put up or shut up" for dyno figures, because it is absolutely impossible for a manufacturer to provide exact dyno figures for how their product is going to react to every possible permutation of year/make/model/engine/mods.

Different vehicles are most likely going to react differently to the same type of modification. Let's say that he gets a dyno run done for a 2006 Dodge Ram w/5.7L Hemi V8. Do you think that you're going to get the exact same results for a 1999 Dodge Dakota with a 3.9L V6, whose engine is engineered completely differently? Maybe, maybe not - there's no way to tell without doing another dyno. Now you have to think about the differences in engineering between years. A 2000 4.7L V8 is different than a 2006 4.7L V8 (ie: throttle body, etc.), and the 2008 4.7L V8 is a LOT more different. You should also factor in the mods of the truck - ie: if you took the 55mm F&B throttle body that's on my 408ci truck and put it on a stock R/T, you'd probably see significantly lower hp/tq gains.

Manufacturers are not going to run out and spend $50 a pop to test out every possible year/make/model/engine/mod combination.

[SinCity R/T]

As far the the person who brought up K&N and other large companies, I guarantee that they have tested their product on every application they have it listed for. And the gains they claim were achieved, but only in a controlled environment, which is why you will probably never see those exact numbers in real life.

I've interacted with a lot of companies over the years when it comes to product development - they're testing a helluvalot less than you probably think. A company like K&N will perform a lot of tests on the generic properties of their filter products, but I'll bet they've performed dyno reports on very few of their final FIPK kits, and certainly didn't sit a vehicle on a dyno for a few hours to determine which particular filter may work best for that particular setup. When companies bring in vehicles for product development, they're only concerned about measuring physical dimensions to make a kit fit. From what I've seen in person, K&N uses the same cone filter for the vast majority of their FIPK kits - the K&N/Mopar kit for the 425hp 6.1L Hemi V8 is the same as the filter they use on the 170hp V6.

[Duner]

An IAT sensor mod - good or bad, is certainly not worth the hundreds of posts (and most are duplicated from one forum to the next I might add), that this thread has generated. He tried it. It didn't work for him, and now the whole world is coming to and end and he MUST get the word out!?!?

Let it go already.
It's a stupid little nothing mod.
You got your freakin' money back, and it does work for some people.
Get over it, and go spend your money on a REAL mod...
like a some 3923 Autolites and a NAPA brass cap and rotor.

[SinCity R/T]

Get over it, and go spend your money on a REAL mod...

So when are you going to start offering those turbo kits? :huh: :jester:

[mopar318]

An IAT sensor mod - good or bad, is certainly not worth the hundreds of posts (and most are duplicated from one forum to the next I might add), that this thread has generated. He tried it. It didn't work for him, and now the whole world is coming to and end and he MUST get the word out!?!?

Let it go already.
It's a stupid little nothing mod.
You got your freakin' money back, and it does work for some people.
Get over it, and go spend your money on a REAL mod...
like a some 3923 Autolites and a NAPA brass cap and rotor.

Dont forget the amsoil in your engine, trans, and diff!

[Duner]

So when are you going to start offering those turbo kits? :huh: :jester:

I dunno?

I started a new job here a couple of months ago. I thought I'd have more time to spend in the garage tinkering. Instead I've been working all kinds of hours and don't have time enough to even keep my stuff running.

Besides, seeing how some people around here treat vendors...
:huh:

[hskrRT]

I've interacted with a lot of companies over the years when it comes to product development - they're testing a helluvalot less than you probably think. A company like K&N will perform a lot of tests on the generic properties of their filter products, but I'll bet they've performed dyno reports on very few of their final FIPK kits, and certainly didn't sit a vehicle on a dyno for a few hours to determine which particular filter may work best for that particular setup. When companies bring in vehicles for product development, they're only concerned about measuring physical dimensions to make a kit fit. From what I've seen in person, K&N uses the same cone filter for the vast majority of their FIPK kits - the K&N/Mopar kit for the 425hp 6.1L Hemi V8 is the same as the filter they use on the 170hp V6.

Having been on the R&D side of product developement by loaning my '07 Caliber to AEM for test fitting of their intake they were making. I know they do test their intakes on every model of vehicle they list it for. They already had the exact same intake set up on the market for the 2.4L Caliber R/T, but hadn't tested it on a 2.0L which is what they used my car for. Before they listed the 2.0L Caliber in their advertisements, they tested it on more than one car. I know they used my car personally, and they also had another Caliber owner bring their car in at the same time. And they did attempt to dyno my car, but the CVT wouldn't allow them to properly dyno it.

Now granted, AEM, K&N and the like have a lot more money to spend on R&D. And I didn't ask him to provide dyno proof, but at least test the product on the vehicle you are marketing it for. He had never personally tested the powerwire on a 5.9L Dakota before he listed them for that application. BWdakrt posted his results. What should have happened was airram took this feedback and either removed the 5.9L Dak from the listed of vehicles until he got some more feedback on performance from other 5.9L owners. It doesn't have to be him personally doing the testing. There are enough people out there willing to test it out for him, and all it would cost him is the $10-$15 it costs him to make them, if it's even that much.

[addicted2blue00]

I dunno?

I started a new job here a couple of months ago. I thought I'd have more time to spend in the garage tinkering. Instead I've been working all kinds of hours and don't have time enough to even keep my stuff running.

Besides, seeing how some people around here treat vendors...
:huh:
did you ever see the thread on John M's long tube headers? lol

[SinCity R/T]

I dunno?

I started a new job here a couple of months ago. I thought I'd have more time to spend in the garage tinkering. Instead I've been working all kinds of hours and don't have time enough to even keep my stuff running.

Besides, seeing how some people around here treat vendors...
:huh:

You'll find a peanut gallery everywhere you go, everyone's a critic. The Delphi R/T group is especially brutal when it comes to new products, there's a lot of people there who think they're an expert on every part they've never owned. If people didn't already know how fast you're running, I'll bet you'd hear a hundred silly critiques from ignorant people about your engine bay.

[Duner]

If people didn't already know how fast you're running, I'll bet you'd hear a hundred silly critiques from ignorant people about your engine bay.

Hahaha, so true.

I always here from people that tell me that my stuff won't work or are inefficient because of whatever reason. There are SO many experts on the internet. All I can do is laugh... and agree to a point. While it's probably true that none of my stuff is "optimal", it's "good enough" to let me play... and tinker.

I found out about a big long thread about my fuel rail cooling system (4.7) on one of the Jeep forums. By the time I heard about it, they had all the facts so twisted around that I hardly knew they were talking about my stuff. They didn't understand the concept, let alone kept any of the facts straight. Who woulda thought you could get 14 hp by pumping water around in some copper tubing? Some people were calling it a scam and claiming BS... when it wasn't for sale and wasn't being marketed. I enjoyed the fact that it didn't matter to me one way or the other what they thought. I thought of it. I built it. I tested it. I paid for the dyno time, and I got the benefit from using it. The funny thing is that when I posted up a dyno sheet - I got a bunch of PMs from people wanting to know where they could buy a kit! LOL

Like you said. There are all kinds of critics on the internet. Not actually having anything for sale lets me just laugh the criticism away. It doesn't matter to me what they think. I get the benefits - and the timeslips, from stuff that some of the critics say can't work, won't work, shouldn't work or doesn't work for them. Thanks for the inspiration. I think I'll go make something!

[TurboBlew]

wow.. interesting thread.

[mopar318]

I remember the guy on this forum that told me he "knew for a fact" my log tubo manifold would not work. hehe. I guess that goes for 95% of the turbo vehicles on the road too.

And a ton of people told me a front mount intercooler wont fit in a dakota. I like proving stuff right as well :)

[ID 4x4]

Good read on a slow, crappy, cold afternoon. Hope Duner's arms are long enough to pat himself on the back! Bitch, cry, flame people, Its all the same crap you bitch about 24/7,

[rayjj]

I honestly don't see anything wrong with the initial post about this. Someone just giving a review of a product, and I for one have no problem that he did. It's not like there was any name calling or outright trashing, just a personal experience and review. I honestly know better than to buy something like this, and the first time I heard about this couldn't believe anyone would actually buy it. At least Airram did give the refund, so that's a positive. Only problem with the initial post I see is complaining about the cost of gas and spark plugs. Any mod you buy is gonna end up costing you gas while you play around with it, and spark plugs can be cleaned up and re-used unless they break or something.

[moore_716]

Unfortunately I learned the hard way. I got my $$$ back and all that with minimal hassle. I would have loved for the PW to do as claimed but it did not on my particular application. My only issues now are that I feel it cost me some extra $$ inj the process. Well, I have no proof and as such never brought it to airram's attn. My 02 sensor went out right after the installation. So I spent $40 on the PW plus like $5 to return it. I got my $40 back but then I had to replace my 02 sensor which cost $45. Maybe all this was a coincidence, but I'm not convinced it is.
As for Duner I agree with you in so many ways. There has been way to many posts over this $40 mod. I especially agree with this statement you made yourself while defending him, "It's a stupid little nothing mod."
I worked for a Hot Rod shop for 2 years. They make steering columns for mostly old rods. It would have been easy to take 5 min. with a tape measure
and design a column for almost every vehicle. We didn't. We personally designed and installed a column in each and every vehicle we sold columns for as direct fit. Each one was given for free to the customer and tried and tested for a month of driving. If there were no problems with the column or install they went to market. If any trouble came up the problem was fixed and the month started over.

[jmaack727]

In all honesty, it looks like a well made product. If i had a 4.7 id try one, being all the feedback about it, but why 50 bucks for a resistor?

[copperdodge]

WTF.... you spent $50 on a wire and you expected what? Get over it....

Get some money together and get some real performance parts. Foolin' sensors is Speedtweaks crap from 2001. Good grief....

[moore_716]

WTF.... you spent $50 on a wire and you expected what? Get over it....

Get some money together and get some real performance parts. Foolin' sensors is Speedtweaks crap from 2001. Good grief....

I expected 10-12 hp and possible mpg gains at part throttle. This is where the majority of my driving is done. It's funny everyone who says get over it all says the mod is crap. Makes me laugh that you all defend the product and say it's junk at the same time. I won't bash it for the 3.7 or 4.7 though. It may work for them.
One thing I'm wondering is that if all things are basically equal between the 3.9, 5.2, & 5.9., then maybe the PW dumped the same amont of fuel in my 3.9 that it would in a5.2 or 5.9.?.?

[copperdodge]

I'm not saying it's junk or defending it. I am saying that if you are expecting gains of any sort from a product that costs $50 (new in the box) then you are the exact market that each of these "vendors" is looking for.

The secrets to success in performance automotive start with three letters: H, C, I. Heads, Cam, Intake. After that, you need headers & the appropriate exhaust. After that, it's on to power adders.

Until then, you are just spending $50 here & $50 there hoping to see 1.1 mpg and 13 hp. Either get off the porch & get in the game, or quitcherbitchin'.

That's all I'm sayin....

[Duner]

I'm not saying it's junk or defending it. I am saying that if you are expecting gains of any sort from a product that costs $50 (new in the box) then you are the exact market that each of these "vendors" is looking for.

The secrets to success in performance automotive start with three letters: H, C, I. Heads, Cam, Intake. After that, you need headers & the appropriate exhaust. After that, it's on to power adders.

Until then, you are just spending $50 here & $50 there hoping to see 1.1 mpg and 13 hp. Either get off the porch & get in the game, or quitcherbitchin'.

That's all I'm sayin....

Well said!

[Duner]

Colder Air = Richer Fuel Mixture, More Power

Warmer Air = Leaner Fuel Mixture, More MPG

AIR RAM claims the Power Wire will give add 8-10 RWHP and an increase of 1.5 - 2 MPG. There is no way you can have both at the same time because the PCM will not let that happen.

The colder IAT setting advances the ignition timing and increases the injector pulswidth.

You can in fact have both, if you let the PCM learn it long enough to apply long term fuel trim. That way you'll have the timing advanced and the fuel trim will even out the too-rich condition.

[bwdakrt]

I'm not saying it's junk or defending it. I am saying that if you are expecting gains of any sort from a product that costs $50 (new in the box) then you are the exact market that each of these "vendors" is looking for.

The secrets to success in performance automotive start with three letters: H, C, I. Heads, Cam, Intake. After that, you need headers & the appropriate exhaust. After that, it's on to power adders.

Until then, you are just spending $50 here & $50 there hoping to see 1.1 mpg and 13 hp. Either get off the porch & get in the game, or quitcherbitchin'.

That's all I'm sayin....

You drag strip guys amaze me! 95% of the guys on this forum is here for information and sharing their experiences about their trucks. They work on their trucks themselves. Lay on the ground, on the gravel or in the grass to do different things to try and help their performance or looks of the trucks. When they see something like the Power Wire advertised by a vendor that claims it will give them an additional 8-10 RWHP and 1.5 - 2 MPG and they can buy it for $50, they go for it. All I ever tried to do in this thread was to let them know my results and give them my opinion of the Power Wire so they would not make the same mistake that I did. Sure, I got a refund but what about the people that did not send theirs back and it's still laying in a box along with the rest of the junk. Poor people have poor ways! They, and myself included, do not have the fine garages, all the necessary equipment and tools, knowledge and fat bank accounts like you guys do. If they waited to safe up enough money to be able to buy heads, cams, intakes, headers, exhaust and all the go fast stuff that you guys have, then they would be waiting a long time. So before you start throwing rocks and critizing the methods we use to modifiy our trucks, get down off your high horse and walk a mile in our shoes!

[copperdodge]

http://www.dodgetrucks.org/gallery/data/500/medium/IMG_06061.JPG

http://www.dodgetrucks.org/gallery/data/500/medium/IMG_06052.JPG


Garage? Fat wallet? What the feck are you talking about? I started out trying to fool sensors too. I learned (just like you already have) that these things don't work. But the difference is that instead of bitching all across the internet (and therefore trying to keep anyone else from finding out THROUGH HANDS ON EXPERIENCE that these things don't work) I actually just turned around and sold the bullsh*t pieces to some one else to use. After I got whatever cash back that I could, I used it somewhere else effectively.

It's called LEARNING and then MOVING ON.

[bwdakrt]

I started out trying to fool sensors too. I learned (just like you already have) that these things don't work. But the difference is that instead of bitching all across the internet (and therefore trying to keep anyone else from finding out THROUGH HANDS ON EXPERIENCE that these things don't work) I actually just turned around and sold the bullsh*t pieces to some one else to use. After I got whatever cash back that I could, I used it somewhere else effectively.

It's called LEARNING and then MOVING ON.

My apoligizes to you about your "fine garage"! It looks a alot similar to mine.

All i was doing was relaying my experience and opinion of a vendors product and pointing out the the claims he was making were FALSE! This was MY opinion, and as this thread very well shows, opinions are just like assholes, everybody has one and they're all different. If I were to buy some worthless POS mod and was unable to get a refund, they why would I sell it to someone else? That would make me no better than the vendor that sold it it me!! Why pass along the misery?

[03'Dakota]

My apoligizes to you about your "fine garage"! It looks a alot similar to mine.

All i was doing was relaying my experience and opinion of a vendors product and pointing out the the claims he was making were FALSE! This was MY opinion, and as this thread very well shows, opinions are just like assholes, everybody has one and they're all different. If I were to buy some worthless POS mod and was unable to get a refund, they why would I sell it to someone else? That would make me no better than the vendor that sold it it me!! Why pass along the misery?

Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one and they generally stink. thats how I always knew the little quote to go :) sorry I had to lol

[viperkota]

http://www.dodgetrucks.org/gallery/data/500/medium/IMG_06061.JPG

http://www.dodgetrucks.org/gallery/data/500/medium/IMG_06052.JPG


Garage? Fat wallet? What the feck are you talking about? I started out trying to fool sensors too. I learned (just like you already have) that these things don't work. But the difference is that instead of bitching all across the internet (and therefore trying to keep anyone else from finding out THROUGH HANDS ON EXPERIENCE that these things don't work) I actually just turned around and sold the bullsh*t pieces to some one else to use. After I got whatever cash back that I could, I used it somewhere else effectively.

It's called LEARNING and then MOVING ON.

DUDE!!!!! your wheels fell off!!!:jester:

[1hotkadota]

opinions are just like assholes, everybody has one and they're all different.



:nono:

They all stink!:jester:

[03'Dakota]

ya thats what I said lol they all stink :)

[1hotkadota]

Dammit, I must have missed that.

Good one 03!

[bwdakrt]

I was trying to be nice, but "I Stand Corrected"!

[03'Dakota]

:) my dad says it all the time thats the only reason I know the little saying

[copperdodge]

DUDE!!!!! your wheels fell off!!!:jester:

Yeah, I'm workin' on that.... gimme some time.

[moore_716]

Well this is really going no place. I wasn't ahppy with the product and trying to share my experience. My garage is a fuckin soupy mess of snow and mud right now but I still layed down in it to change the 02 sensor that mysteriously just failed. Anyway, your hollier than thou shit doesn't really go to far with me and that's fine. With my driving time I'm gone 12 hr.'s a day. I also have a wife and 2 young kids to tend to when I get home. My truck is my daily driver and only mode of transportation. So if a vendor is gonna tell me that for $40 bucks I'll get 10 hp and maybe better mpg damn right I'm gonna go for it. Especially if I can do the mod in 10 min. in the dark. Mybe take into consideration that I'm not trying to build a 12 sec. truck. Until you know what I'm trying to accomplish with my dak or know me or tlak to me on the phone or anything like that say all you want it makes no difference at all to me. Enough people on here know me and The Old Man and get the point. Better yet maybe you should get a power wire for yourself.

[copperdodge]

Well, since I have no IAT sensor to fool anymore, the Power Wire isn't going to improve my truck either.

If you thought that you could walk out to the dark muddy garage and install 10hp and better MPG in 10 minutes, then you got what you paid for.

If it sounds too good to be true.....

Hey, at least you know better now.

[viperkota]

Well this is really going no place. I wasn't ahppy with the product and trying to share my experience. My garage is a fuckin soupy mess of snow and mud right now but I still layed down in it to change the 02 sensor that mysteriously just failed. Anyway, your hollier than thou shit doesn't really go to far with me and that's fine. With my driving time I'm gone 12 hr.'s a day. I also have a wife and 2 young kids to tend to when I get home. My truck is my daily driver and only mode of transportation. So if a vendor is gonna tell me that for $40 bucks I'll get 10 hp and maybe better mpg damn right I'm gonna go for it. Especially if I can do the mod in 10 min. in the dark. Mybe take into consideration that I'm not trying to build a 12 sec. truck. Until you know what I'm trying to accomplish with my dak or know me or tlak to me on the phone or anything like that say all you want it makes no difference at all to me. Enough people on here know me and The Old Man and get the point. Better yet maybe you should get a power wire for yourself.

if you really want better MPG..increase air intake and exhaust (keep up velocity), find out where you TQ band is and get some rear gears that put your cruising rpms in that band...preferably close to peak TQ....and keep your foot out of it...that will net some great MPG's...mine has increased considerably

[Duner]

OK everybody, let's get this into perspective.

How much did the last tank of gas cost you?

[copperdodge]

If you really want to get MPG out of any 1997 to 2004 Dodge Dakota or Durango, you need to go out & get a Cummins 4BT diesel and install it in place of that Magnum motor. Then back it with a NV-4500 or a 700R4.

Like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyUqgcH7m0Y&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtSm4yCX-7E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENtVo9d6XuA

Until you do that, you are just chasing your tail. Can you say 30MPG Durango?

[copperdodge]

BTW- I filled up my Dad's Gen 3 V-6 this past Saturday and it cost me $60.

[Racinartist]

Also Racinartist, You think you have an issue with me but we have NEVER spoken, I was not even following that tread when it took place. Your issue was with another forum member who was promoting the Group Purchase of the POWER WIRE to HELP you increase performance. Although the 2001-back 5.9L is in question, you may want to do some of your own "Research" and become slightly more informed before you tag along on a flame hunt... The POWER WIRE does work well with your 2003 Dak... the only question is if it works as advertised with the 2001-back 5.9L. You can either go on this ONE 2001- back 5.9L complaint or look up all the success with the 3.7l 4.7L & 5.7L applications.

Huh? How did I get drug into this? Flame hunt? What did I miss? I posted on another forum because the group buy guy was being an ass.

With that said, I does seem like the pricing on this item is a bit over the top, no matter if it increases HP by 1 or 10. I have my own business and I only WISH I could markup my products 1000%, regardless of the R&D, raw material costs, or whatever else. If so, I would have all kinds of crazy mods done to my truck. :mullet:

Speaking of my truck...huh again. I have an 05 Dakota, not an 03. And just FYI, I had read a link from one of the forums a while ago that led me to look into buying the PW. After all this bs though and what I've found out since, that will never happen.

*walks off scratching head*

[SinCity R/T]

I'm going to close off this thread... I wholeheartedly encourage people to leave first-hand feedback about the products they have purchased, regardless of whether it's positive or negative. Unfortunately this thread has drifted way off subject, with the vast majority of comments coming from people who have never purchased/tested this product. If someone wants to start a new conversation to discuss this sort of technology in general in the proper parts category (Computer Control) they're welcome to do so, but IMHO there's no need to clutter this vendor's area with 2nd-hand comments.