Megasquirt

[MagnumDak]

anyone used this before? for those of you who havent heard its the equivelent to accel dfi or a fast system that you build yourself for like $250, just started reading into it tonight so don't have all the info yet but seems like a very viable option for us do it yourselfers.

the main thought I have on it is to use instead of those supercharger and turbo fuel bandaids ie fmu's

there is so much info on the page that it will take a while to determin the whole usefulness of this system but so far seems cool
any thoughts?

[KREWZER]

whats the page?

[00dakotav8]

Yeah its a great program from what i hear, most the dsms, and a few other supercharged or turbocharged cars do around here. Do you have a lap top? If so it would be great. Do it!

[KREWZER]

WHATS THE FRIGGEN WEBSITE!?!?!?! :cussing:

[MagnumDak]

I'm still reading it but I found that there are around 7000 of them out there and the have there own forum that is very technical. Pretty much stupid questions that have already been answered or that are in the HUGE FAQ will not be tolerated which is pretty cool that way the forum isn't full of useless crap. The people who buy these things even write some of their own code and make develpments for nitrous, boost controllers whatever. this thing just seems so universal its just well amazing.

some of you guys that have forced induction have any thoughts on this. If you don't have any knowlede of this I suggest you check it out.

http://www.bgsoflex.com/megasquirt.html

[Sneezer]

Here is a guy who put it on a 96 Ram 360.

http://bellsouthpwp2.net/s/_/s_moseley/megasquirt/index.html

It has been around for a while. Almost like the Linux of EFI controllers. A lot of the smaller engines like it - Neons, DSM motors, etc. I've looked at it off and on for a couple years, but I am not quite to the point of needing one. May bite the bullet next year though, they have improved it over the previous versions. At least with the relatively low cost to get it compared to FAST and others, if it does not work out you could unload it easier on a DSM board or something, and recoup most of the cost.

[bad425rt]

I've thought about giving it a shot. Parish is running the MS on his 1000hp turbo'd 408, so I figure it can probably handle my lil 500hp 360 :biggthump

[99durango318]

I've thought about giving it a shot. Parish is running the MS on his 1000hp turbo'd 408, so I figure it can probably handle my lil 500hp 360 :biggthump




Ya, iv seen Parish's truck :bow:

[TheDecline]

I'v tuned with MS before on sport compacts. I wouldn't suggest it unless you were very comfortable with electronics and the inner workings of an ECU. It is very technical and extremely overwhelming when you first look at it. I almost cried the first time I tuned with it. Im not too familiar with standalone systems available for these vehicles but personally Id rather go with something more professional and with better support than MS. Unfortunatly, not all of us have $1000s to spend on such things so in that case MS is great.

[bad425rt]

I'v tuned with MS before on sport compacts. I wouldn't suggest it unless you were very comfortable with electronics and the inner workings of an ECU. It is very technical and extremely overwhelming when you first look at it. I almost cried the first time I tuned with it. Im not too familiar with standalone systems available for these vehicles but personally Id rather go with something more professional and with better support than MS. Unfortunatly, not all of us have $1000s to spend on such things so in that case MS is great.
Are you talking about the assembly or actually tuning with it? My plan was to buy one preassembled, just so I know it's done right. Our only other tuning options are laptop based and cost around $2-3K. If I do the MS, I'm only going for fuel, I'll let the pcm still handle timing.

[Five9Dak]

Do it dave.

[Duner]

I'm leaning very heavily towards the MS system also. I think Dave and I have stretched the FMU bandaid as tightly as it will go!

For your viewing pleasure:

http://www.megasquirt.info/ms2/MSIIsystem.gif

[00dakotav8]

I've thought about giving it a shot. Parish is running the MS on his 1000hp turbo'd 408, so I figure it can probably handle my lil 500hp 360 :biggthump
Whoa you know parish? That truck is freaking sweet to bad he didnt break into the 9's this year. Do you happen to know the guy with the red sc'ed reg cab running around in omaha?

[bad425rt]

I'm leaning very heavily towards the MS system also. I think Dave and I have stretched the FMU bandaid as tightly as it will go!
No doubt! Hell, the injectors will cost more than the MS will LMAO

[bad425rt]

Whoa you know parish? That truck is freaking sweet to bad he didnt break into the 9's this year. Do you happen to know the guy with the red sc'ed reg cab running around in omaha?
Well, I don't know him personally, but I've talked to him online about the MS setup. His truck is just sick, and I'm sure he'll have it in the 9's soon. Don't know the red rc in omaha, but I think I've seen a video of it running on the street, smoked a turbo'd stang if I'm not mistaken :mullet:

[00dakotav8]

yeah i laughed when i saw that, especially when some lt-1 punk said my truck never could beat him, and that no dakota ever will. LOL link copy n pasted on that one!!! Yeah i dont know parish personally, but i have seen his truck in person. Def one of the sweetest trucks i've ever seen. I think its in this months hotrod magazine for you guys that dont know what im talking about his name is jim.

[TheDecline]

Are you talking about the assembly or actually tuning with it? My plan was to buy one preassembled, just so I know it's done right. Our only other tuning options are laptop based and cost around $2-3K. If I do the MS, I'm only going for fuel, I'll let the pcm still handle timing.

Im talking about actual tuning. Building the board isn't that hard actually. Tuning is much more difficult. I'v tuned Turbo'd 240SX's with MS and with AEM EMS. Comparing those two is like day and night. In that case you do get what you pay for. In any case, if you simply cannot afford anything else and NEED some sort of fuel management beyond the scope of piggy back systems, you have no choice but dealing with the MS. Just dont blow your engine up.

[bad425rt]

Im talking about actual tuning. Building the board isn't that hard actually. Tuning is much more difficult. I'v tuned Turbo'd 240SX's with MS and with AEM EMS. Comparing those two is like day and night. In that case you do get what you pay for. In any case, if you simply cannot afford anything else and NEED some sort of fuel management beyond the scope of piggy back systems, you have no choice but dealing with the MS. Just dont blow your engine up.
Well yeah, I would imagine that a $3K standalone setup would be better than a $300 DIY kit. But if it allows me to run a big enough injector to get enough fuel then it's good enough for me :biggthump

[FoundSoul]

Im talking about actual tuning. Building the board isn't that hard actually. Tuning is much more difficult. I'v tuned Turbo'd 240SX's with MS and with AEM EMS. Comparing those two is like day and night. In that case you do get what you pay for. In any case, if you simply cannot afford anything else and NEED some sort of fuel management beyond the scope of piggy back systems, you have no choice but dealing with the MS. Just dont blow your engine up.



I'm definitely biased, and I'll admit I haven't personally tuned an AEM but I learned everything I know about tuning with the MS, several books, and even went for the EFI Technology 101 and Advanced classes.... everything I've ever heard about the AEM is it's pretty clunky and difficult to tune, and part of that came from the EFI Tech instructor, who sat with me while I tuned my car with the MegaSquirt and had a very good first impression of the interface and functionality....

An EMS just doesn't have to cost thousands of dollars..... (shh! the big dogs don't want you to know that)

Not to mention the support with the MegaSquirt EMS is second to none-- there is a huge online community at www.msefi.com that will bend over backwards to help you if you're doing your part, and the content of the site is very technical with almost zero trolling.

I'm not in attack mode here at all, but as I just started sponsoring this forum I wanted to see what interest people have had in the MS so I was doing some searches and found this thread. Just wanted to clear the air a bit. If I can help with anything just ask...

And yes Parish's truck is awesome-- I'm sponsoring it this year and with the changes he's made I'm confident he'll break into the 9's. There's also another massive power vehicle I sponsor that's actually a twin turbo 515ci big block 1953 Studebaker, I'm heading out to Speed Week on the 13th to watch him make a couple of MegaSquirt powered 250mph passes. 1200whp, capable of breaking the tires loose at 160mph! (Yes Gary is a bit nuts ;)

[viperkota]

i would love to "squirt" my engine, especially sicne dodge sucks with their tuning and the limited aftermarket stuff. but i have a 4.7 and it is different then the engines i have read about having MS. can you tell us more if it will work well with the 4.7. also is thee a w ay to do this systwm and still be able to have the obd2 to pass inspections and no engine light?




I'm definitely biased, and I'll admit I haven't personally tuned an AEM but I learned everything I know about tuning with the MS, several books, and even went for the EFI Technology 101 and Advanced classes.... everything I've ever heard about the AEM is it's pretty clunky and difficult to tune, and part of that came from the EFI Tech instructor, who sat with me while I tuned my car with the MegaSquirt and had a very good first impression of the interface and functionality....

An EMS just doesn't have to cost thousands of dollars..... (shh! the big dogs don't want you to know that)

Not to mention the support with the MegaSquirt EMS is second to none-- there is a huge online community at www.msefi.com that will bend over backwards to help you if you're doing your part, and the content of the site is very technical with almost zero trolling.

I'm not in attack mode here at all, but as I just started sponsoring this forum I wanted to see what interest people have had in the MS so I was doing some searches and found this thread. Just wanted to clear the air a bit. If I can help with anything just ask...

And yes Parish's truck is awesome-- I'm sponsoring it this year and with the changes he's made I'm confident he'll break into the 9's. There's also another massive power vehicle I sponsor that's actually a twin turbo 515ci big block 1953 Studebaker, I'm heading out to Speed Week on the 13th to watch him make a couple of MegaSquirt powered 250mph passes. 1200whp, capable of breaking the tires loose at 160mph! (Yes Gary is a bit nuts ;)

[bandit01]

I bought the F.A.S.T system, but have not installed it yet. From what I have heard it is pretty user friendly to tune with and you can build awesome power from it. My complete system with all of the fuel stuff from the new pump, fuel rails, injectors, ecu, wiring harness, software, and everything else needed to put it in. It ran me a little over $2K.
The reason I went with this system is because from what people have told me. It is a way easier system to tune with over the MS, DFI, and AEM. This is just what people said that have ran and tuned with the other systems. I myself am not sure how hard FAST is to tune, because I haven't installed it yet. All of my new toys and upgrades should be finished by the end of winter or beginning of next summer. Just in time for the world of wheels show. I will let you know how the FAST system does overall.

[FoundSoul]

i would love to "squirt" my engine, especially sicne dodge sucks with their tuning and the limited aftermarket stuff. but i have a 4.7 and it is different then the engines i have read about having MS. can you tell us more if it will work well with the 4.7. also is thee a w ay to do this systwm and still be able to have the obd2 to pass inspections and no engine light?


Let me know the year/make/model/ and I'll try and see what I can find in AllData for your motor and let you know....

[viperkota]

Let me know the year/make/model/ and I'll try and see what I can find in AllData for your motor and let you know....
2003 dodge dakots 4.7, 45fe(?) tranny, 2wd CC, sport + :biggthump

[bad425rt]

I'm not in attack mode here at all, but as I just started sponsoring this forum I wanted to see what interest people have had in the MS so I was doing some searches and found this thread. Just wanted to clear the air a bit. If I can help with anything just ask...
Welcome to the board Jerry, glad to have you. The interest is definitely there, I think a lot of people are hesitant since it's new to our trucks. I only know of a couple of people running MS on their trucks right now. I'll be installing my MS-II as soon as I get my cable. I think more people will get into it once they see the results.

[TraMotorsports]

i was looking into doing the magasquirt for my truck but now that i am not on as tight of a budget im leaning toward the electromotive tec 3r. I am familiar with tuning the tec and the interface is very easy to use.

[FoundSoul]

2003 dodge dakots 4.7, 45fe(?) tranny, 2wd CC, sport + :biggthump

The ignition systems used on 3.9L V-6 and 5.9L V-8 engines are basically identical using a conventional distributor and remotely mounted coil. The 4.7L V-8 engine does not use a distributor and has 8 separate coils.

The distributor based ignition system should be easy stuff on the 5.9 at least, from what I've found the trigger wheel is compatible and that's the most important piece of the puzzle. The 4.7 though doesn't use the dizzy based system but a 8cyl COP system. That's unfortunately a whole different story, and while you could use a modified MS-I with MSnS-E firmware to control this in a wasted spark format, I'd recommend adapting the Ford EDIS system instead as it will simplify things greatly, you'll still have a distributorless ignition system and the MegaSquirt-II control EDIS beautifully.

Ford EDIS is a distributorless ignition system that’s pretty easy to adapt to just about any internal combustion piston engine out there—you just need to mount (weld) a 36-1 trigger wheel to your crank pulley and build a bracket for the VR sensor to locate it next to the trigger wheel. That’s the hardest part and the only fab work. The rest is a bit of wiring. The EDIS system has an EDIS module and a coil pack. The module is wired to the VR sensor and the MegaSquirt, and also the coil pack. The MegaSquirt-II is what I would recommend for EDIS control and will take full control of an EDIS ignition system easily.

Here are some links with more info:

Here’s all the parts that are needed and where they can be found if you wanted to dig them up yourself: http://megasquirt.sourceforge.net/extra/edis-whatyouneed.html

Here’s the MS2 manual: http://www.megasquirt.info/ms2/ Which has an EDIS specific section at: http://www.megasquirt.info/ms2/EDIS.htm


If you guys would like some further reading on MegaSquirt ignition system support here's a little article I put together: http://www.diyautotune.com/tech_articles/megasquirt_ignition_control.htm


I wish I had better news for the 4.7 guys, though I recommend you don't rule EDIS out, and if you're hardcore you could use the MS-I with MSnS-E assuming the stock trigger wheel is compatible. I've looked at the picture that Alldata has of the crank trigger wheel and it may work but they don't show the whole wheel. If needed you can always mount a compatible wheel to the crank pulley, sortof like what you do for EDIS.


For the 3.9 trucks (at least the 2003 Dakota) they used a somewhat strange wheel that has 9 notches, three single notch areas, and three double notch areas. Here's a pic:

http://www.diyautotune.com/images/cartech_articles/dodgedakota/2003_3.9l_triggerwheel.gif

I'm afraid this wheel probably won't work as is, on a 6cyl with distributor you need 6 notches evenly spaced. That means if you could get rid of 3 of those notches (the ones that aren't evenly spaced apart from the rest) it should work fine. Maybe a bit of metal tape to cover those up? (Depends on clearance for the trigger wheel, it would need to spin freely still.)

The 5.9 guys have it easy... Here's their trigger wheel:
http://www.diyautotune.com/images/cartech_articles/dodgedakota/2003_5.9l_triggerwheel.gif

Notice 8 evenly spaced notches, perfect for triggering an 8cyl motor with a distributor. This should be a breeze to take full control of using the stock ignition system.

Any chance the 5.9 system will swap onto the 4.7 trucks easily?

[FoundSoul]

Welcome to the board Jerry, glad to have you. The interest is definitely there, I think a lot of people are hesitant since it's new to our trucks. I only know of a couple of people running MS on their trucks right now. I'll be installing my MS-II as soon as I get my cable. I think more people will get into it once they see the results.


Glad to be here man-- as per my message above the MS-II should be easy to setup on your truck. Let me know if there's anything I can help out with.

I'll be going over some different years/models of the Dakota and Durango to let everyone in on 'the skinny' on there trucks and which ones are easily compatible with the MS.

[Sneezer]

Any chance the 5.9 system will swap onto the 4.7 trucks easily?

Nope. The 4.7 is a completely different design from the magnum blocks. The coil pack system has been one of the biggest problems to overcome from an aftermarket ignition system.

I hadn't thought about adapting the EDIS to a 4.7, Interesting. Thankfully I don't need to worry about it with mine.

[bad425rt]

Glad to be here man-- as per my message above the MS-II should be easy to setup on your truck. Let me know if there's anything I can help out with.

I'll be going over some different years/models of the Dakota and Durango to let everyone in on 'the skinny' on there trucks and which ones are easily compatible with the MS.
Yeah, from what I've heard the install should be pretty easy, it's the tuning that's gonna take some time, but it will be a good experience.

I think an easy to understand breakdown for the Dakota/Durango's will help, a lot of people go to the MS website and drown in the ocean of tech info. :)

[Sneezer]

Can the MSII v.2.2 be upgraded to a v3? I may be able to pick up a MSII for cheap, although I was planning on going with the current stuff. It will be used on a s/c 5.9 in a 92 Dakota. It is OBDI if that makes much of a difference.

Any recommendations on what various MS goodies I should get?

[FoundSoul]

So you've got (or can get) a MegaSquirt-II, using the PCBv2.2? IF so those aren't very common as the new PCB came out at about the same time as the MS-II, though there are definitely some out there this way.

Personally I would recommend the PCBv3 unit, though to upgrade to that will basically be an entire ECU replacement, you could re-use the MS-II daughterboard but nothing else really. You should also check and see if it's a v1 or v2 MS-II daughterboard. There was a tiny initial release of about 100 v1 units that didn't have the CANbus support, and also had a hardware bug (that B&G fixed if it was sent back in to them). Hopefully this will help you determine what you may be in for with that unit and how to make the call.... It will do the job, but all the cards are on the table now ;).

Here’s a page with info on my recommendations for a complete system: http://www.diyautotune.com/faq/megasquirt_what_do_I_need.htm This would be good to review first and would help you to make sure you get the right system to meet your needs.

And here's a page with a few common quotes that will give you a good idea of what you can get a complete setup for: http://www.diyautotune.com/commonquotes.htm

I'd recommend the MS-II PCBv3, but the MS-I with the MSnS-E firmware will do a great job as well, and is what Parish is running.

[viperkota]

how is this piece coming along
http://www.megamanual.com/router/

and will all this when installed still be able to work with the obd2 systems and no check engine lights.....for emission testing?

[Sneezer]

So you've got (or can get) a MegaSquirt-II, using the PCBv2.2? IF so those aren't very common as the new PCB came out at about the same time as the MS-II, though there are definitely some out there this way.



All I know right now is that it is a MS V2.2 with the MSII daughtercard. I'm waiting on more info from him to see if it will be worth it to pick it up or not. It is way early for me to start messing with it anyway, but the price is what got my attention. Not really planning on doing anything with MS until xmas or later.

[FoundSoul]

how is this piece coming along
http://www.megamanual.com/router/

and will all this when installed still be able to work with the obd2 systems and no check engine lights.....for emission testing?


B&G have been focusing primarily on the Microsquirt which should be ready pretty soon, then I'm sure they'll get their focus back on the Router Board. It's going to be a little while still though I'd think. It will be an upgrade to the MS-II so there's an upgrade path if you were to go that route.

[FoundSoul]

All I know right now is that it is a MS V2.2 with the MSII daughtercard. I'm waiting on more info from him to see if it will be worth it to pick it up or not. It is way early for me to start messing with it anyway, but the price is what got my attention. Not really planning on doing anything with MS until xmas or later.


So it is an MS2 PCBv2.2 -- I'm betting it's the v1 MS2 daughterboard because almost nobody put the new daughterboard onto the older PCBv2.2. I'm sure it's much cheaper than a new MS2 PCBv3 would be but you will have some limitations-- that may not matter to you and if not, go for it!

[GraphiteDak]

LOL I looked at Megasquirt a while back. Thought of it for my 4.7 powered car. But the coil on plug would be trouble!
I bought a stock PCM and wiring harness for that instead.

Thought of using it on my ATV but I think it may be too big.


The nice thing about MS is that it is all open source programs and you can find lots of help programming as well as a Forum on their website.

So for the $300 you could eventually get it to work, and learn a lot in the process so you could always program it yourself as needed.

Their are companies who sell them assembled which is the way I'd recommend getting one. Otherwise, you get a circuit board, and a bag of parts to solder. Another $100 or so you can buy them assembled and tested.


Good luck.

[FoundSoul]

Thought of using it on my ATV but I think it may be too big.

You might want to check out the MicroSquirt for this application-- tiny and waterproof, designed for motorcycles/jet skis/snowmobiles/ATVs/etc. It will be available in the next month or two-- http://www.diyautotune.com/catalog/microsquirt-engine-management-system-p-131.html


The nice thing about MS is that it is all open source programs and you can find lots of help programming as well as a Forum on their website.

So for the $300 you could eventually get it to work, and learn a lot in the process so you could always program it yourself as needed.

Their are companies who sell them assembled which is the way I'd recommend getting one. Otherwise, you get a circuit board, and a bag of parts to solder. Another $100 or so you can buy them assembled and tested.


We do offer them both ways, kits or assembled. I often recommend people build one up as it's a blast and you learn alot in the process, though we're happy to offer them assembled as well.

[GraphiteDak]

You had me excited.

Until I looked at the top of the page...

MicroSquirt Engine Management System
[MicroSquirt] $9,999.00



That can NOT be correct????!!!!


IS it?????

[bad425rt]

Reading is a wonderful thing :biggthump

"OK-- don't get too excited, it's not on the shelves just yet (hence the ridiculously high price, to help you guys to hold off a bit on ordering ;). Testing is going well though and I'm optimistic about a late summer/early Fall release.

Final pricing is still to be determined but should in in the range of an assembled MS-II ECU or maybe a bit less even. We'll have plenty in stock as soon as they are available and you can be among the first to get your hands on this beauty.... I'll be glad to keep you updated if you'd like to send me an email asking me to put you on the MicroSquirt contact list. -- You'll be the first to know!"

[GraphiteDak]

Oh wow ok. I thought it HAD to be a type-o or someone was trying to recover all of their investment on the very first sale LOL!!!


If the price was good, I'd consider one.

Right now I'm going to order a different micro controller programmer and get back into that a bit...

[N56629]

Would it be worthwhile installing one of these on a stock or mostly stock engine? If so, what kind of performance might you expect.

[FoundSoul]

On a mostly stock engine you could probably get 3-10% power improvement depending on how well it was tuned from the factory, and probably a similar improvement in gas mileage on the highway (totally different area of the map than the WOT power area).


On the Microsquirt it should be on the shelves in 1-2 months, and will be right at $400 from what I hear. Note it's intended for motorcycles, scooters, jet skis, snowmobiles, etc. It will run enough injectors for your trucks if you run low impedance injectors, but it's not intended to run more than 2 low impedance injectors.

[N56629]

On a mostly stock engine you could probably get 3-10% power improvement depending on how well it was tuned from the factory, and probably a similar improvement in gas mileage on the highway (totally different area of the map than the WOT power area).

So it primarily programs the open loop map?

I'm thinking of putting a 3.8 supercharged engine in a 89 Buick GS. Will the Megasquirt act as a complete engine controller or does it have to piggybacked?

[Unorthodoxneon]

So it primarily programs the open loop map?

I'm thinking of putting a 3.8 supercharged engine in a 89 Buick GS. Will the Megasquirt act as a complete engine controller or does it have to piggybacked?

I looked into this for a littel bit, a friend of mine is running this on his turbo neon. THere is 2 methods megasquirt which controlls the fuel which is more of a piggy back system but still a standalone for fuel. and there is mega squirt and spark which controlls fuel and the ignition which is pretty much a full stand alone.

I havent dont much more then help wire one up (which is a pain) and try to help get his car started with it.


Also note it is very picky on its power source.

[GraphiteDak]

On the Microsquirt it should be on the shelves in 1-2 months, and will be right at $400 from what I hear. Note it's intended for motorcycles, scooters, jet skis, snowmobiles, etc. It will run enough injectors for your trucks if you run low impedance injectors, but it's not intended to run more than 2 low impedance injectors.

Now $400 is more like it LOL! I can't believe you guys listed $9999.00 or whatever on your site. If you would not have said someting here, I would not have taken a second look later. :p


Anyway. I got my ATV running half way descent I think on the carb pull through, but putting the turbo compressor section in a vacuum causes it to pull oil into the intake when you are off the throttle!!!!

It will work for my next trip but Fuel Injection is a muct on my ATV in the future.
I got to my limits with the Basic Stamp from Parallax so i ordered some MicroChips Programmer and Micro Controller that has built in 10 bit AD converters to sample my TPS, MAP, O2, etc so looks like I may be doing a EFI from scratch. If not the MicroSquirt may be in order later :drool:

Oh yeah. Does the MicroSquirt have abuilt in MAP like the Mega Squirt? My ATV is hitting 10PSI boost right now from the turbo. So it needs a MAP that will read boost!

[FoundSoul]

All of the MS systems are standalone for what they do. There are fuel only systems where they control all aspects of fuel management, but something else needs to handle the ignition. This is what some call 'piggyback' though it's really not as a true piggyback simply tries to 'trick' the stock ECU into performing differently, but doesn't directly control anything by itself.

The MS-I with MSnS-E firmware is a full fuel and spark standalone, as is the MS-II with it's standard firmware.


As for the Microsquirt, if you open that page on my site you'll see I just put that high price in there to keep people from buying it just yet as I don't have them to sell, but wanted people to know it's coming. It will use an external MAP sensor rather than internal, and I'll be stocking 3-bar sensors for use with it. Maybe others as well....

[GraphiteDak]

That sounds cool.

I'd almost note on your page that the price isn't actual LOL!

3 BAR should be more than enough for 10PSI correct?


If I get overwhelmed designing my ATV's fuel injection controller I'll probably be buying a controller like that. I ASSUME the MicroSquirt is programmable with free software as well?



I bought a junk yard throttle body last weekend for the ATV. I've got to weld up an adapter so it bolts to my ATV. This has the TPS on it and the IAC. The IAC I think I will do something very simple with that. And that is mount a "trim" button on my handbar or something to just drive the IAC motor one way and the other to adjust idle :p

[FoundSoul]

The MicroSquirt page does shoe that's not the actual price, but just there for the reasons descibed above.

It is a fully programmable standlone EMS with free tuning and datalogging software, and the 3 bar MAP sensor is good for up to 29.4 psi of boost so you'll be in good shape there....

Also on your IAC, chances are the MS2 will handle that just fine... at worst it would require a minor mod....

[flyboy01]

All I know right now is that it is a MS V2.2 with the MSII daughtercard. I'm waiting on more info from him to see if it will be worth it to pick it up or not. It is way early for me to start messing with it anyway, but the price is what got my attention. Not really planning on doing anything with MS until xmas or later.

Another alternative are the SMT6's by Perfect Power for $175 ea used. They are piggyback units that should be able to pass any emmissions test (DFW area) and they work with ANY computer system, OBD I, II, or III. They have the ability to run extra injectors or just bigger ones. It also allows +/- timing advance and retard. I am probably going to run a set of 30lb injectors I have and ditch the KB ones. They also have the ability to do real time data-logging and recording. I am pretty stoked about getting these installed in my Dak. They best part is, you get one of these for about $380 which is about $80 more than a pre-assembled megasquirt.

[flyboy01]

3 BAR should be more than enough for 10PSI correct?

27 psi

[viperkota]

Another alternative are the SMT6's by Perfect Power for $175 ea used. They are piggyback units that should be able to pass any emmissions test (DFW area) and they work with ANY computer system, OBD I, II, or III. They have the ability to run extra injectors or just bigger ones. It also allows +/- timing advance and retard. I am probably going to run a set of 30lb injectors I have and ditch the KB ones. They also have the ability to do real time data-logging and recording. I am pretty stoked about getting these installed in my Dak. They best part is, you get one of these for about $380 which is about $80 more than a pre-assembled megasquirt.
how well does this system adapt to the 4.7 computer?

[flyboy01]

its what all the Ram guys are using on the 4.7 and 5.7 Turbocharged applications. I wasn't all that keen on SMT6 at first, but the more I dig into it, them more I realize that there is NOTHING that is won't work on! The more I research it, the happier I am that I got them.

[viperkota]

its what all the Ram guys are using on the 4.7 and 5.7 Turbocharged applications. I wasn't all that keen on SMT6 at first, but the more I dig into it, them more I realize that there is NOTHING that is won't work on! The more I research it, the happier I am that I got them.


will you email the site fir this system and any other places that you have gotten any other info from...and the ram owners...especially the 4.7 turbo guys...i hav e more questions for them...are any of these guys in our area?

[flyboy01]

Contact these guys:
http://www.idaautomotive.com/default1.asp

[FoundSoul]

If you know of successful SMT6 implementations on your 4.7's then great. I used to own one and it will not work on everything-- MR2's for one example. Timing control it would do, but fuel alterations it would not as it would freak out the stock ECU and flip a code every time (hours, no, days were spent with their tech support). I've since heard of many other cars that have the same issue with the SMT6 but I didn't create a list as I've moved on. That's actually the hole reason I kept looking for an EMS solution in the first place, and found the MegaSquirt.... I'd never go back myself, but if it works on your trucks that's great. It's not anything like a full standalone, but it's easier...

[flyboy01]

Of course, stand alones are the best option. But not for everyone, there are newer vehicles that so many outboard computers for transmissions, body controls, and dash clusters, that you cant just yank the stock computer. Also, where I live in Dallas, I have to get an emmissions test every year, the piggybacks help get through those tests, I hope.