MO Emissions testing questions...

[epmills]

Hey all! Well, im moving to St. Charles county pretty soon, and just found that I have to do emissions testing there, ugh! I couldn't find exactly what they do besides a visual inspection, and a exhaust anaylizer. Can anyone tell me more specifically what they do?

My truck has candied tail lights (so no white reverse lights) a M1 2bbl, and a very crappy exhaust cutout that is leaking all over the place by the welds. I know that the cut out will need to be fixed (can I still have one, or do I need to get rid of it all together?), but what about the M1 and candied tails? I have had the exhaust anaylized during my time at a tech school, and it passed fine with the M1 on, but do they check for that during a visual? Everything else on the truck is CARB approved, so it shouldn't be an issue.
Thanks!,
Zach

[RedDakRT]

Hey all! Well, im moving to St. Charles county pretty soon, and just found that I have to do emissions testing there, ugh! I couldn't find exactly what they do besides a visual inspection, and a exhaust anaylizer. Can anyone tell me more specifically what they do?

My truck has candied tail lights (so no white reverse lights) a M1 2bbl, and a very crappy exhaust cutout that is leaking all over the place by the welds. I know that the cut out will need to be fixed (can I still have one, or do I need to get rid of it all together?), but what about the M1 and candied tails? I have had the exhaust anaylized during my time at a tech school, and it passed fine with the M1 on, but do they check for that during a visual? Everything else on the truck is CARB approved, so it shouldn't be an issue.
Thanks!,
ZachDamn Zach we'll have to meet up man, movin to my neck of the woods :jester: as far as emissions they dont really do shit around here the tails might be a problem but if it is just let me know and we can swap tails while you get it done M1 will be fine the cutout might be a problem and when i got my truck tested they didnt look for anything
:beer:

[moparsz]

for the state inspection they may not like the exhaust cutout, but for the emmisions part all they should do is plug it in under the dash to read computer. I run my trucks thru the emmisions part with the muffler back missing

[epmills]

Sounds good, thanks for the replies guys! I think I'll just buy some exhaust tubing and a welder eventually to fix the exhaust, its an excuse to buy one :).

[STL Dakota]

i just had my tested on the service road off 70 in saint charles, and i have cai and y-pipe with exhaust, and i think i waited in line for 30 mintues and it took them about 1 mintue to do the testing. i really dont think they check for much, just a way to get money out of you, because i was worried about the all mods. i did and i passed fine. You should be ok, but you might want to check your exhaust if it is leaking, that might look bad to them.

[RedDakRT]

i just had my tested on the service road off 70 in saint charles, and i have cai and y-pipe with exhaust, and i think i waited in line for 30 mintues and it took them about 1 mintue to do the testing. i really dont think they check for much, just a way to get money out of you, because i was worried about the all mods. i did and i passed fine. You should be ok, but you might want to check your exhaust if it is leaking, that might look bad to them.Thats where i got my trucks tested, sounds like your pretty close to where im at. We should all meet up sometime this summer or something :wave:

[RedDakRT]

Sounds good, thanks for the replies guys! I think I'll just buy some exhaust tubing and a welder eventually to fix the exhaust, its an excuse to buy one :).Where ya movin to in St.Chuck Zach?

[STL Dakota]

Thats where i got my trucks tested, sounds like your pretty close to where im at. We should all meet up sometime this summer or something :wave:

ya, im right off muegge road. Im not sure how old you are but we could go to a bar or something. I was thinking about getting my truck lowered do you think that midwest 4x4 off country club could do it without ripping me off, or can you think of any other places around here, because i do not know the first thing about suspension.

[RedDakRT]

ya, im right off muegge road. Im not sure how old you are but we could go to a bar or something. I was thinking about getting my truck lowered do you think that midwest 4x4 off country club could do it without ripping me off, or can you think of any other places around here, because i do not know the first thing about suspension.Damn im on muegge every other day just about sadly im only 16 so cant get into the bars :jester: but i do drink, you like bowling? Never heard of Midwest 4x4??? Maybe 1st Capitol 4WD thats about the only place i know of, maybe Extreme Motorsports too :huh:

[moparsz]

ya, im right off muegge road. Im not sure how old you are but we could go to a bar or something. I was thinking about getting my truck lowered do you think that midwest 4x4 off country club could do it without ripping me off, or can you think of any other places around here, because i do not know the first thing about suspension.
how much are you looking on dropping it and with what. I don't think its that hard to do

[moparsz]

oops, I think I started to jack this thread, sorry

[STL Dakota]

i dont know why i said midwest 4x4, i meant first capital 4wd. I got my window's tinted at extreme and i asked the guy how much it would cost to lower it, like 2/4, and all he did was bitch about how hard of a job it is to lower dakota's, so i dont think im going to go to them. im not really sure what would look good, thats why im guessing 2/4 inches. I have custom exhaust so I don't want to drop it so the bottom scrapes, but like I said i do not have the first clue on how to do suspension and what it all includes, I would rather get it done professionally because I dont want to screw it up, with the the wheel alignment and all. Have any of you guys had any work that done around here?? Im not sure how much that kind of service runs, so I dont want to get ripped off.

[RedDakRT]

i dont know why i said midwest 4x4, i meant first capital 4wd. I got my window's tinted at extreme and i asked the guy how much it would cost to lower it, like 2/4, and all he did was bitch about how hard of a job it is to lower dakota's, so i dont think im going to go to them. im not really sure what would look good, thats why im guessing 2/4 inches. I have custom exhaust so I don't want to drop it so the bottom scrapes, but like I said i do not have the first clue on how to do suspension and what it all includes, I would rather get it done professionally because I dont want to screw it up, with the the wheel alignment and all. Have any of you guys had any work that done around here?? Im not sure how much that kind of service runs, so I dont want to get ripped off.I personally haven't touched the suspension on either trucks but 1st Capitol 4WD is the only place i know of that has decent prices on stuff

[STL Dakota]

I personally haven't touched the suspension on either trucks but 1st Capitol 4WD is the only place i know of that has decent prices on stuff

ill have to drive up there one day and see how much it would run. I went up there about a year and a half ago, to see what type of tonneau covers they had there and they were outrageous in price and were not the kind i wanted. But im hoping they have good prices on suspension work, and hopefully they know how to install headers.

[moparsz]

I dropped mine 2" in the front and 3.5" in the rear. I did it all myself. I did it with drop coils & leafs

[RedDakRT]

Hey Zach you weren't at the Mid Rivers Best Buy yesterday were ya? I saw a IB R/T with candied tails and MN plates with a www.dakota-durango.com sticker in the rear window, i left a site card and another card with my username on it :jester: because i wasn't 100% positive that it was you.

[03GraphiteQuad]

i asked the guy how much it would cost to lower it, like 2/4, and all he did was bitch about how hard of a job it is to lower dakota's, so i dont think im going to go to them. im not really sure what would look good, thats why im guessing 2/4 inches.

Hard?! What the hell is he used to working on?? bicycles? Dakotas are very EASY to drop! I really wouldn't pay someone to do it...if you have tools, and some basic mechanical skills, (like you know which way to turn a bolt) and you can remember how you took things apart it's quite simple. Also a 2/4 is a good all around drop but how it sits will depend alot on tire size. What kind of kit are you thinking about using? that can change the degree of difficulty quite a bit.


I have custom exhaust so I don't want to drop it so the bottom scrapes, but like I said i do not have the first clue on how to do suspension and what it all includes, I would rather get it done professionally because I dont want to screw it up, with the the wheel alignment and all.

before you drop be sure to look at your suspension clearance with respect to your exhaust pipes....If you want more info on how to do this PM me and I can do a write up for ya. Alignments have to be done by professionals, they take specialized equipment.

I dont want to get ripped off.

Hate to break it to ya...but anytime you pay someone to work on your truck-You're getting ripped off....especially when it comes to modifications.

[epmills]

Well, good news...Looks like I can do the state inspection on my truck myself at work (after taking the test, ugh), so I can pass my tails!

Where ya movin to in St.Chuck Zach?

Right off 94 between page and 70, I cant even think of the crossroad, but its got the white castle and sonic off it.

And yeah, that was me at Best buy, finally I run into (sorta) another Dak-Dur.com member! You were unfortunate enough to see my truck after about 1000 miles of no washing it :(, but dont worry, I washed it at work thismorning!

[RedDakRT]

Well, good news...Looks like I can do the state inspection on my truck myself at work (after taking the test, ugh), so I can pass my tails!



Right off 94 between page and 70, I cant even think of the crossroad, but its got the white castle and sonic off it.

And yeah, that was me at Best buy, finally I run into (sorta) another Dak-Dur.com member! You were unfortunate enough to see my truck after about 1000 miles of no washing it :(, but dont worry, I washed it at work thismorning!:woot: I thought it was you I had no idea your truck was lowered, it looks sick, I kno exactly where your talking about pralle runs through there by the movie theater, i think thats hackman road??? :jester: my school is right there...Francis Howell North :onethumb: :mullet:

[RedDakRT]

I was there getting an app for employment :jester: but i went back in tryin to find ya but had no idea what you looked like but were you looking at tvs talking to an employee with a lynksys router or something in your hand??

[STL Dakota]

:woot: I thought it was you I had no idea your truck was lowered, it looks sick, I kno exactly where your talking about pralle runs through there by the movie theater, i think thats hackman road??? :jester: my school is right there...Francis Howell North :onethumb: :mullet:

hey, you said that you go to north, do you by chance have dual exhaust straight back?? i live right off hackmann across from hackmann estates, (my backyard actuall backs up to hackmann) and i saw a dakota one day around the time that north let out and i thought it was yours. my brothers actually go there, they are freshman.

[RedDakRT]

hey, you said that you go to north, do you by chance have dual exhaust straight back?? i live right off hackmann across from hackmann estates, (my backyard actuall backs up to hackmann) and i saw a dakota one day around the time that north let out and i thought it was yours. my brothers actually go there, they are freshman.Nope mines dumped before the rear axel on the 4x4 and theres only my white r/t that goes up there periodically
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v112/sct_cobra/Dak%204x4/Picture007.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v112/sct_cobra/Dak%20RT/Picture003.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v112/sct_cobra/Dak%20RT/Picture009.jpg
Those are the trucks i would be driving, there are 2 r/ts i know of that go to FHN a Yellow RC and a Intense Blue CC :onethumb: im on muegge every thursday and at the school every friday in the truck :beer:

[RedDakRT]

hey, you said that you go to north, do you by chance have dual exhaust straight back?? i live right off hackmann across from hackmann estates, (my backyard actuall backs up to hackmann) and i saw a dakota one day around the time that north let out and i thought it was yours. my brothers actually go there, they are freshman.You and Zach are really close house wise, i live off jung station. We should all have a little get together or something this summer for sure tho :mullet: :wave:

[STL Dakota]

Nope mines dumped before the rear axel on the 4x4 and theres only my white r/t that goes up there periodically
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v112/sct_cobra/Dak%204x4/Picture007.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v112/sct_cobra/Dak%20RT/Picture003.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v112/sct_cobra/Dak%20RT/Picture009.jpg
Those are the trucks i would be driving, there are 2 r/ts i know of that go to FHN a Yellow RC and a Intense Blue CC :onethumb: im on muegge every thursday and at the school every friday in the truck :beer:

oh ok, i wasnt sure..nice looking trucks btw, i espically like the rt

[RedDakRT]

oh ok, i wasnt sure..nice looking trucks btw, i espically like the rtTy, judging from your avatar yours looks very nice too, I love Patriot Blue :bow:

[STL Dakota]

Ty, judging from your avatar yours looks very nice too, I love Patriot Blue :bow:

thanks man

[RedDakRT]

thanks manWho are your brothers, I might know them

[STL Dakota]

Who are your brothers, I might know them

well they are only freshman, they are twins, there names are david and kevin welz, david has a cast on his left arm because he broke it

[RedDakRT]

well they are only freshman, they are twins, there names are david and kevin welz, david has a cast on his left arm because he broke itYup I have no idea who they are :jester: but I have a friend who is a freshman he might know them :onethumb:

[epmills]

I was there getting an app for employment :jester: but i went back in tryin to find ya but had no idea what you looked like but were you looking at tvs talking to an employee with a lynksys router or something in your hand??

Haha damn good guess! That was me, the skinny lil white kid. I ended up getting the router and a new TV, me and my impulse buying kills me!

[STL Dakota]

Yup I have no idea who they are :jester: but I have a friend who is a freshman he might know them :onethumb:

ya, its a big school. i graduated from there in 2003, and i think like over 500 people were in my graduating class. the only older people i know are shawn doggendorf and david richards

[epmills]

Oh yeah, it is prolle. Just past the sonic, right before the trailerpark. Sounds like a couple of us live pretty close!

[RedDakRT]

Haha damn good guess! That was me, the skinny lil white kid. I ended up getting the router and a new TV, me and my impulse buying kills me!Holy shit! :jester: I just had a guy feeling, I was the fat dude walkin outta the bathroom with the red Hemi shirt :jester: doubt ya saw me but I just had a weird feeling that was you for some reason, I think I might be psychic

[RedDakRT]

Oh yeah, it is prolle. Just past the sonic, right before the trailerpark. Sounds like a couple of us live pretty close!Yeah, Chris aka Kwikta lives off Jungerman, hes got an 01 Silver CC R/T :onethumb: You will probably see the R/T alot where you live because my mom works off pralle and drives the r/t to work everyday

[STL Dakota]

Oh yeah, it is prolle. Just past the sonic, right before the trailerpark. Sounds like a couple of us live pretty close!

you live like 3 minutes from me

[STL Dakota]

Hard?! What the hell is he used to working on?? bicycles? Dakotas are very EASY to drop! I really wouldn't pay someone to do it...if you have tools, and some basic mechanical skills, (like you know which way to turn a bolt) and you can remember how you took things apart it's quite simple. Also a 2/4 is a good all around drop but how it sits will depend alot on tire size. What kind of kit are you thinking about using? that can change the degree of difficulty quite a bit.




before you drop be sure to look at your suspension clearance with respect to your exhaust pipes....If you want more info on how to do this PM me and I can do a write up for ya. Alignments have to be done by professionals, they take specialized equipment.



Hate to break it to ya...but anytime you pay someone to work on your truck-You're getting ripped off....especially when it comes to modifications.

Here are some pictures of the exhaust system. Im not sure what sort of drop would work the best with the system I have, also Im not sure what type of kit to order and what is all included in a kit; like I said I do not have the first clue about anything with suspension work. I was thinking maybe a 2/4 or 3/5 drop. I have the stock tire size that comes on the 3.9 V6. I think the sticker said P255/65R16 but im not sure what those numbers mean. Any help and/or information you can give on this subject would be appericated.

[moparsz]

a 2/4 drop would be a better drop in ride comfort if your truck is a daily driver

[STL Dakota]

a 2/4 drop would be a better drop in ride comfort if your truck is a daily driver

oh ok thanks

[moparsz]

my 4.7 has a 2/3.5 and its set up for racing and its horrible compaired to my 5.9 which is stock.

[STL Dakota]

my 4.7 has a 2/3.5 and its set up for racing and its horrible compaired to my 5.9 which is stock.

ya, my truck is my daily driver so i def. want something that handels well. did you get my pm btw?

[Richie_Rich]

Interesting.

I live off Jung Station and Arrow Rock Dr.

I'll have to keep an eye out.

My Durango is nothing special...Maroon two-tone
I normally drive a Figi Blue Conquest TSI.
Pretty loud 3" exhaust, RFL BOV bunch of mods.
We also have an '06 Charger, dark blue with silver stripes up and over the top.

Putting 4.10's in the Durango this weekend so I can tow our camper trailer.

First Capitol 4 wheel drive is expensive, but they do good work.
They wanted $750/axle to do my gears.
I'll save over $800 doing it my self, so I got a Super chips and some nice gauges....and a couple new tools. Might get a press if I need to pull the bearing back off the pinion.

Rich

[03GraphiteQuad]

Here are some pictures of the exhaust system. Im not sure what sort of drop would work the best with the system I have, also Im not sure what type of kit to order and what is all included in a kit; like I said I do not have the first clue about anything with suspension work. I was thinking maybe a 2/4 or 3/5 drop. I have the stock tire size that comes on the 3.9 V6. I think the sticker said P255/65R16 but im not sure what those numbers mean. Any help and/or information you can give on this subject would be appericated.

ok....I'll try and answer some of your questions here....but it sounds like you need to do some serious reading here in the forums....use the search feature and ask ??'s in the appropriate forum. The regional forums are largely ignored by people who aren't from that area.

The Exhaust clearance you need to look at is where the pipe actually goes over the axle. Dropping 4 inches out back is going to take alot of your suspension travel and you're probably gonna be changing bumpstops so you want to make sure that when you do you're not going to be beating the hell out of your pipes.

There's a number of ways to drop a dak each way has good and bad things about it. For the front you can do a coil drop or control arms and on the back you can do shackle/hanger, Leafs, or blocks...sometimes a combination of things will get you where you want to be.

As for ability can you do a brake job?? change a flat?? use a wrench?? Give an honest evaluation of your capability and we'll be better equipped to help you out.

One thing to consider with a 2/4 drop is tire size. Your stock tires are 29 inches tall and I honestly wouldn't run anything over 28 inches with a drop or you'll risk rubbing. You can get tire sizes here: http://www.discounttire.com/dtcs/infoTireMath.dos
You can also educate yourself as to what the markings and size means here: http://www.discounttire.com/dtcs/infoSidewall.dos
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/techpage.jsp?techid=7&currentpage=46
You can learn alot just by reading up.

Any specific questions you have you can PM me or do a search and see if you can find it...or you can ask the question in the appropriate section. Hope this helps a little bit. There is a wealth of knowledge on this site, use it b/4 you make a decision.

[moparsz]

ok....I'll try and answer some of your questions here....but it sounds like you need to do some serious reading here in the forums....use the search feature and ask ??'s in the appropriate forum. The regional forums are largely ignored by people who aren't from that area.

The Exhaust clearance you need to look at is where the pipe actually goes over the axle. Dropping 4 inches out back is going to take alot of your suspension travel and you're probably gonna be changing bumpstops so you want to make sure that when you do you're not going to be beating the hell out of your pipes.

There's a number of ways to drop a dak each way has good and bad things about it. For the front you can do a coil drop or control arms and on the back you can do shackle/hanger, Leafs, or blocks...sometimes a combination of things will get you where you want to be.

As for ability can you do a brake job?? change a flat?? use a wrench?? Give an honest evaluation of your capability and we'll be better equipped to help you out.

One thing to consider with a 2/4 drop is tire size. Your stock tires are 29 inches tall and I honestly wouldn't run anything over 28 inches with a drop or you'll risk rubbing. You can get tire sizes here: http://www.discounttire.com/dtcs/infoTireMath.dos
You can also educate yourself as to what the markings and size means here: http://www.discounttire.com/dtcs/infoSidewall.dos
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/techpage.jsp?techid=7&currentpage=46
You can learn alot just by reading up.

Any specific questions you have you can PM me or do a search and see if you can find it...or you can ask the question in the appropriate section. Hope this helps a little bit. There is a wealth of knowledge on this site, use it b/4 you make a decision.

Mr know it all here :jester:
he's right about that though. I dropped the front of mine with the drop spring and oirginally had a 2" and then a 3" block. I changed the rear to a drop leaf spring so I could get a little more clearance under the leaf.

[STL Dakota]

man, i tried to read as many forum posts about this subject as i could and i only got to page 6 out of 44. To many different suggestions to make your head spin. It seems like the Hotchkins kit is the best out there, but it is crazy expensive. I looked at the belltech 2/4 drop kit and that seems a little more reasonible. My truck is my daily driver, but i never tow and/or carry anything in the bed, or plan on racing it at a track or anything. I have the stock wheels and it seems if I want to get a bigger size tire that they will fit and not rub, but nothing extreme like 20 or 22's, maybe like up to 18's with the correct wheel size. Thats what im leading towards now, I still want to do a lot more research but I dont want to spend over 500 on suspension, or almost a grand on that hotchkins kit.

[epmills]

man, i tried to read as many forum posts about this subject as i could and i only got to page 6 out of 44. To many different suggestions to make your head spin. It seems like the Hotchkins kit is the best out there, but it is crazy expensive. I looked at the belltech 2/4 drop kit and that seems a little more reasonible. My truck is my daily driver, but i never tow and/or carry anything in the bed, or plan on racing it at a track or anything. I have the stock wheels and it seems if I want to get a bigger size tire that they will fit and not rub, but nothing extreme like 20 or 22's, maybe like up to 18's with the correct wheel size. Thats what im leading towards now, I still want to do a lot more research but I dont want to spend over 500 on suspension, or almost a grand on that hotchkins kit.

Go my route and lower it for 70 bucks! Blocks in the back and a cutoff wheel in the front lmao.

[RedDakRT]

Go my route and lower it for 70 bucks! Blocks in the back and a cutoff wheel in the front lmao.I can back that up :jester: it looks damn good in person, its also why I didnt think it was your truck lol

[STL Dakota]

Haha, do you guys all want to meet up tomorrow. I have been talking to moparsz (sorry i dont know your name) and I guess go down to Lindberg?? I was thinking maybe around 10 or so?? Sorry i have to work until 9.

[STL Dakota]

i heard blocks were unsafe?? at least more than one, but im not really sure how blocks work

[moparsz]

i heard blocks were unsafe?? at least more than one, but im not really sure how blocks work
they can crack and fall out, then you have a loose axle. The blocks go under the axle and above the leaf spring

[RedDakRT]

Haha, do you guys all want to meet up tomorrow. I have been talking to moparsz (sorry i dont know your name) and I guess go down to Lindberg?? I was thinking maybe around 10 or so?? Sorry i have to work until 9.from about noon to ehh whenever tomorrow im not gonna be home so count me out on this one unless its somewhere in the St.Chuck area.

BTW his name is Steve :onethumb: and Im Dakota

[moparsz]

from about noon to ehh whenever tomorrow im not gonna be home so count me out on this one unless its somewhere in the St.Chuck area.

BTW his name is Steve :onethumb: and Im Dakota
We were talking about 10pm. I think

[STL Dakota]

ya, if that works for you guys. 10pm because i dont get off work until 9 pm.

[moparsz]

ya, if that works for you guys. 10pm because i dont get off work until 9 pm.
thast fine with me as long as it doesn't rain I'll bring the 4.7 if it is raining I'll probably be out in the r/t

[STL Dakota]

just let me know where everyone wants to meet up at, shoot me a pm if you want to call me

[moparsz]

We can meet up at the Hooters/Home Depot parking lot like everybody else does

[InTeNsE98RT]

what is this a new whore thread or something lol

[STL Dakota]

We can meet up at the Hooters/Home Depot parking lot like everybody else does

is that the home depot around north west plaza?? im not too familar with some areas that are east of the river, im mostly familiar with st.charles/st.peters/o'fallon..you get the picture

[RedDakRT]

is that the home depot around north west plaza?? im not too familar with some areas that are east of the river, im mostly familiar with st.charles/st.peters/o'fallon..you get the pictureWe should meet up in the Family Arena parking lot :mullet: its a bigass parking lot and like 3 mins from my house :jester:

[moparsz]

We should meet up in the Family Arena parking lot :mullet: its a bigass parking lot and like 3 mins from my house :jester:
That would be fine with me

[STL Dakota]

We should meet up in the Family Arena parking lot :mullet: its a bigass parking lot and like 3 mins from my house :jester:

ya, that would be cool with me as well. its like 5 min from my house. i say lets meet there at like 10 pm or so, if that works with everyone.

[BTLFED R/T]

Don't include me or anything, ya bitches! LOL

[RedDakRT]

ya, that would be cool with me as well. its like 5 min from my house. i say lets meet there at like 10 pm or so, if that works with everyone.Did you guys end up meeting up last night because i wasnt home to check the boards :( but i did see Zach again :jester: this time with a clean truck and damn is it nice :bow:

[epmills]

Did you guys end up meeting up last night because i wasnt home to check the boards :( but i did see Zach again :jester: this time with a clean truck and damn is it nice :bow:

You caught me on the way to the bank! Anyone else going to the car show that Steve was talking about?

[RedDakRT]

You caught me on the way to the bank! Anyone else going to the car show that Steve was talking about?Ill probably go if I'm home, fastlanes is an amazing place to go for carshows :woot:

[moparsz]

Don't include me or anything, ya bitches! LOL
Ok we won't.

I didn't know if you wanted to head all the way over to St. Charles area from where your at.

[BTLFED R/T]

I'm not that much farther than you, maybe only 15 minutes. After the meet, we can "try" for another big get together if you'd like. We both know how those usually go though. LOL Maybe we could do it at Creve Couer Park or something. It's right in the middle.

[STL Dakota]

steve,
my brothers went to the fastlane car show and took some pictures of your truck for me, that thing is badass. I love what you did with the engine bay. To bad i couldnt make it, Ive been stuck at work all day now I get to go help my friends move into their new house, so much for an awsome memorial day