Bought some Amsoil......right one?

[AmberFireDaK]

Ok I found a local shop that carries AMSOIL so I decided to pick some up for my next oil change. I just want to make sure this is the right one for me.......the shop only had 2 types in the store.....5w-30 and 0w-30 both synthetic....both AMSOIL. The guy said the 0w-30 is the equivilant of 10w-30....is that right? Seems kinda stupid, why not jsut label it 10w-30??

Anyway this is what I got....

[AmberFireDaK]

The guy also told me the oil is good for 56,000kms or 1 year (read off the bottle) Is it safe to do this? Change the filter every 6 months and change the oil once a year?

[WentInsane]

As far as your change interval.. unless you really want to put the oil to the test, I would suggest depending on your driving conditions and how you drive to change it anywhere from 3000miles to 7000miles(I am from the US and too lazy to do conversion for you). I change mine approx. every 3-4000 miles depending on what I am doing as far as road trips and such.

To answer your question about the weight of the oil. The "W" stand for winter, and basically the oil at cooler temps is thinner so it will travel thru your engine quicker upon warm-up and such. anything with a -30 in it is a 30 weight oil. the lower number allows the oil to flow at a lower temp depending on the W weight 0 will let you run at more extreme temps than 5w or 10w.

The Series 2000 is actually a "race" oil. I have not used it, but I am sure it will be ok to use.

Next time you should save some $$ and sign up as a preferred member.

[AmberFireDaK]

As far as your change interval.. unless you really want to put the oil to the test, I would suggest depending on your driving conditions and how you drive to change it anywhere from 3000miles to 7000miles(I am from the US and too lazy to do conversion for you). I change mine approx. every 3-4000 miles depending on what I am doing as far as road trips and such.

To answer your question about the weight of the oil. The "W" stand for winter, and basically the oil at cooler temps is thinner so it will travel thru your engine quicker upon warm-up and such. anything with a -30 in it is a 30 weight oil. the lower number allows the oil to flow at a lower temp depending on the W weight 0 will let you run at more extreme temps than 5w or 10w.

The Series 2000 is actually a "race" oil. I have not used it, but I am sure it will be ok to use.

Next time you should save some $$ and sign up as a preferred member.

I know how oil viscosity works....I just want to know if it's true that Amsoil 0w-30 is the equivilant to other brands 10w-30 like the guy at the shop told me

As for my driving habits...I bought my truck in November last year and as of today I've put on about 7300kms.....Apparently this oil is good for 56 000kms :huh:

And it would cost me more to have the stuff shiped up from the states that it would to just buy it at regualr price up here

[WentInsane]

I know how oil viscosity works....I just want to know if it's true that Amsoil 0w-30 is the equivilant to other brands 10w-30 like the guy at the shop told me

As for my driving habits...I bought my truck in November last year and as of today I've put on about 7300kms.....Apparently this oil is good for 56 000kms :huh:

And it would cost me more to have the stuff shiped up from the states that it would to just buy it at regualr price up here
WHat's it cost up there>

[Amsoil Dealer]

Ok I found a local shop that carries AMSOIL so I decided to pick some up for my next oil change. I just want to make sure this is the right one for me.......the shop only had 2 types in the store.....5w-30 and 0w-30 both synthetic....both AMSOIL. The guy said the 0w-30 is the equivilant of 10w-30....is that right? Seems kinda stupid, why not jsut label it 10w-30?
AmberFireDaK -- With respect, I have to ask the following. Any time a vehicle owner is making a MOTOR OIL, LUBRICANT, or FILTRATION decision for a $6,000 engine why do they always consult a "counter person" rather than someone that is knowledgeable (like myself)? It's okay ... I used to trust them (Auto Parts Counter People) as well ... shame on me!
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Here are the Problems when buying from a Retail Store

Your "guy" works behind the counter at an Auto Parts Store, and he has
absolutely no training or education in automotive lubricants or filtration
It is obvious that he knows NOTHING about Viscosity
His store only carries the most expensive Amsoil products and NOT our complete line
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The BOTTOM LINE:

*** I would have recommended a different Amsoil Motor Oil ***

Amsoil Synthetic SAE 5w-30 (946-ml bottle) at $6.90 Canadian
(even cheaper by the jug or case), and it would have shipped from
the Amsoil Warehouse / Distribution Center in Toronto, Ontario, Canada.

The oil you bought, Amsoil Series 2000, has a suggested retail price of $11.45 Canadian.
What did you pay? I could have sold it to you as a Preferred Customer for $8.90 Canadian.

As I stated, I would have recommended:

Amsoil Synthetic SAE 5w-30 and a 946-ml bottle retails for $8.75 Canadian.
That same 946-ml bottle Amsoil Preferred Customer Price is $6.90 Canadian.

Here is my comparison thread: Amsoil SAE 5w-30 vs 10w-30 or Amsoil Series 2000 0w-30 (http://dakota-durango.com/forum/showthread.php?t=21688)
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AMSOIL PREFERRED CUSTOMER MEMBERSHIP's SAVE YOU MONEY

Amsoil has what no other motor oil company offers, a Preferred Customer Program
whereby everyone can order their products at wholesale / dealer cost: The Link (http://dakota-durango.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14246)

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VISCOSITY

Your "guy" is partially correct. Both 0w-30 and 10w-30 motor oils are 30wt oils at operating temperature. what he failed to tell you was that a 0w- a 5w- and a 10w- offer different protection at "start up".

VISCOSITY - Your Primary Concern - living and driving in Canada ... is THE LOWER (SMALLER or FIRST #, as in "0"w-_ or "5"w-_ ) NUMBER. It is the Cold Cranking Measurement. A 0w-30, 5w-30 and 10w-30 oil are ALL 30 weight oils at operating temperature (approximately 10 minutes afterr starting the engine). Your concern should be with the Cold Cranking Measurement since your concern is cold weather start up ... and proper lubrication until the engine and oil reach operating temperature.

The oil is labelled at the lowest temperature it meets the specifications.

A 10w-__ motor oil will protect you down to -20 C ... (-4 F for us Americans)
A 5w-__ motor oil will protect you down to -25 C ... (-13 F)
A 0w-__ motor oil will protect you down to -30 C ... (-22 F)
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You made the right decision in choosing a SYNTHETIC Motor Oil.

* For severe cold, there is a significant performance difference
between SYNTHETIC MOTOR OIL and conventional (dino) motor oil.

Cold weather is tough on engines because of the limitations of conventional
crude-oil-based (dino) lubricants vs. the option of using synthetic lubricants.

In cold temperatures, Motor Oils and Greases become thicker, thus ...

-- slowing starting rpm
-- restricting oil flow to critical engine parts
-- increasing wear on bearings and rings
-- decreasing engine life, and,
-- increasing the burden on an already overtaxed starting system.

For really cold weather, ONLY Synthetic Motor Oils and Lubricants offer
the kind of performance that allows cars and trucks to start with ease.

Here is the link to my thread on this website for more information:

... Conventional Lubricants vs. Synthetic Lubricants (AMSOIL) (http://dakota-durango.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12635)

[Amsoil Dealer]

... it would cost me more to have the stuff shiped up from the states that it would to just buy it at regualr price up here
AmberFireDaK,

Why be concerned with the cost of shipping if you are buying Amsoil at wholesale prices / dealer cost?
As a Preferred Customer you can buy Amsoil Synthetic SAE 5w-30 (946-ml bottle) for only $6.90 Canadian.

Even when paying shipping ... YOU WILL SAVE MONEY.
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SHIPPING: YOUR ORDER WILL BE SHIPPED FROM: Toronto, Ontario (not "the States")

For all Canadians: Your order will be shipped UPS from the nearest distribution facility:

AMSOIL --- CANADIAN WAREHOSE / DISTRIBUTION CENTERS

--- Toronto, ON, 6625 Tomken Rd., Units 12-14, Mississauga, ON L5T 2C2

--- Edmonton, AB, 14543-121 A Ave., Edmonton, AB T5L 2T2
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AMSOIL Warehouse / Distribution Centers

Amsoil has fourteen (14) distribution facilities in the United States, Canada, and Puerto Rico. Your order will be shipped UPS from the nearest distribution facility and the shipping charges you see are what UPS charges Amsoil. NO HANDLING CHARGES.

SPECIAL NOTE: All AMSOIL DEALER's or AMSOIL PREFERRED CUSTOMER's can actually pick up their Amsoil products from these locations, ... but not retail customers.

Here is a link to a Complete Listing Of All Amsoil Distribution / Warehouse Locations (http://dakota-durango.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12988).

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[Amsoil Dealer]

The guy also told me the oil is good for 56,000kms or 1 year (read off the bottle) Is it safe to do this? Change the filter every 6 months and change the oil once a year?
AmberFireDaK,

I try to be very clear when discussing EXTENDED OIL DRAIN INTERVALS. By "extended" ... we mean beyond the equipment manufacturer's recommendation. You see ... when the manufacturer prints Owners Manuals, they have to take into consideration that the owner might use the cheapest oil available, so they are very conservative in their language and what they recommend.

Amsoil Synthetic Motor Oil ... a superior synthetic product (made from liquid natural gas and not crude oil) states the following: Under a combination of city and highway circumstances, AMSOIL recommends up to 2 or 3 times longer drain intervals, it means up to 2 or 3 times the equipment manufacturer's recommendation --- or one year maximum --- whichever comes first. Amsoil also offers an oil filter with a one-year change recommendation.

Here is a thread on this website with more information: The Link (http://dakota-durango.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15100)

[Amsoil Dealer]

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AmberFireDaK,

I know I posted a lot, but I wanted to cover all your questions and concerns. I tried to break it down into three subject areas so that the responses were easier to read. I hope I answered your questions and that the information was helpful.

My signature below says it all .....

[AmberFireDaK]

I didn't buy this stuff from a parts store, it was from a local garage. The "guy behind the counter" actually is quite knowledgable, he has been racing dirt track cars his whole life and has used nothing but Amsoil in his cars.

As I said before I undersatnd how the different viscosities work, that's why I didn't understand when the guy told me that Amsoil 0w-30 is the same as other brands 10w-30.

The shop also had Amsoil 5w-30 synthetic,

I just went back and read everything all over again, And it seems to me that the 0w-30 is all around better than 10 or 5w-30. It's just more expensive, Why do you recomend I use 5w-30 if the 0w-30 seems to be better?

Will both oils be comparable in summer heat?

Thanks for your help......I appreciate it

I'm starting to get alittle irritated :jester: All I want is to change my oil!


Oh BTW I paid $11 a quart, but the guy said it retails for 15 :huh:

[Amsoil Dealer]

I'm starting to get alittle irritated :jester: All I want is to change my oil! Oh BTW I paid $11 a quart, but the guy said it retails for 15 :huh:

:sorry: for the "excessive" posts, I just wanted to cover everything.

The Direct Answer: Since you are in Canada, Amsoil Series 2000 0w-30 is an excellent choice due to the fact it is an "0w-", and it will provide for extra cold weather protection and performance. An "0"w-XX motor oil will protect you down to -30 C ... (-22 F for us Americans).

WHICH OIL: Amsoil SAE Formulation vs. Amsoil Series 2000 Formulation

IMHO ... PRICE is the deciding factor.

In a relatively stock Dakota or Durango engine, I would suggest the Amsoil "SAE" 5w-30 Formulation simply because of the lower price. (NOTE: It is the oil we use in all our family vehicles.)

In a high performance application ... the Amsoil "Series 2000" 0w-30 Formulation is the more shear stable of the two Amsoil formulations.
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BACK TO THE "PRICE TALK"

The oil that you purchased ... Amsoil Series 2000 0w-30.
He charged you $11 per 946-ml bottle which is fair since it has a suggested retail price of $11.45 Canadian
... not $15 per bottle ... though some stores charge higher than suggested retail to cover their freight, etc.

I could have sold it to you as an Amsoil Preferred Customer for $8.90 Canadian.
Shipping on a case is approx. $7 (60 cents per bottle) so your total Amsoil Preferred Customer Price is $9.50 +/- per bottle.

In comparison, I would have recommended:

Amsoil Synthetic SAE 5w-30 --- a 946-ml bottle retails for $8.75 Canadian.
That same 946-ml bottle Amsoil Preferred Customer Price is $6.90 Canadian.

Add freight of about 60 cents a bottle brings your total Amsoil Preferred Customer Price to $7.50 +/-.

Time for me to switch another engine to Amsoil ______ :worky:

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[AmberFireDaK]

Well next time I will definately talk to you first!

I didn't mean I was getting irritated with you I just meant this is gettin quite invloved for a simple oil change :jester: I really appreciate your help and your fast responses! :beer:

Since I already purchased the oil...I'm gonna keep it, the price wasn't all that bad, about $60 for Amsoil when I would have spent $40-$50 on some other synthetic.

I just want to make sure that running 0w-30 in the summer is gonna be safe

Thanks again

[Amsoil Dealer]

Well next time I will definately talk to you first! ... I really appreciate your help and your fast responses! :beer:
I just want to make sure that running 0w-30 in the summer is gonna be safe. Thanks again
Yes. any of the 30 wt. oils will be "safe" for Summer driving. By "safe' we mean the appropriate viscosity (not too thin, and what is even worse -- not too thick --- which would decrease your flow (protection and filtering) and reduce your mpg.

Glad I could be of assistance! :beer:

Steven

Time for me to switch another engine to Amsoil ______ :worky:

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[AmberFireDaK]

Thanks again man! You were a great help, and I apologize for not asking before I bought the stuff. I learned my lesson :slap: <--me :jester:

[Jecht]

dont know why he said 0w-30 is the same as 10w-30. but I guess he was kinda right as they both become 30W oil when up to operating temps.

I have used german castrol 0w-30 and had no problems with it. I know the GC and amsoil are differnt but it shows 0w30 works fine. beings you live up in canada I bet your truck will love that during the winter.

[AmberFireDaK]

dont know why he said 0w-30 is the same as 10w-30.

That's why I was so confused! :jester: I didn't really know much about AMSOIL, and I suppose it is possible for a company to label they're oil how ever they want. So i could have been possible......when in doubt ask the AMSOIL guy! :jester:

[Amsoil Dealer]

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...... when in doubt ask the AMSOIL guy!

...... I learned my lesson :slap: <--me :jester:

...................... okay ... :slap: <--"you" ..... :joke:

Glad I could be of assistance! :beer:

Steven

Time for me to switch another engine to Amsoil ______ :worky:

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[Shatto]

Based on my experience, I'd guess your truck wouldn't be ruined by using TSO, Amsoil's Series 2000, 0W-30 oil. My 98 3.9 has 544,000 miles on the original engine using it.