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: Stuck spark plug


Delta Dog
01-25-2010, 01:27 PM
Hey All,

This is my first post here and am excited to have found this place!!!

Of course I found this while in search of answers about my 2002 quad cab 4x4 with the 4.7L engine.........so here it goes.........

You know that little rubber insert inside the spark plug socket that grips the ceramic?? Well....it is stuck (rammed, wedged) down around the hex part of the plug so I can no longer get the socket on to twist it out.

The plug is easy to get to (#8) but not easy enough to see into the hole. I have tried picking the rubber piece out with a dental pick with no luck. There is MAYBE 1/16" between the side wall and spark plug hex. It seems i need a 5/8" socket made out of sheet metal or something thin that will cut into the rubber and grab the plug.........I need ideas..........

Do they make any special tools or gizmos to address something like this?? How do people get out plugs that have stripped the hex part off their plug?? Please help!!!!!!!

Jecht
01-25-2010, 02:29 PM
Take the plug out. Take rubber boot off plug. Now put plug back in the get it started. Stop take off the rubber and tighten all the way. What I do my socket is worn out.

RJ_Hythloday
01-25-2010, 02:47 PM
Take the plug out. Take rubber boot off plug. Now put plug back in the get it started. Stop take off the rubber and tighten all the way. What I do my socket is worn out.

He's saying he can't get the plug out. If it's going to be replaced anyways, I might try a pair of vise grips on the tip, it shouldn't be in there that tight to begin with.

Rebel13
01-25-2010, 02:54 PM
I want pics, I picture what he is doing-did? All you do is pull the wire boot off and loosen the plug? If boot sticks and breaks, get pliers or vise grips to pull off remaining junk and then loosen plug?

RJ_Hythloday
01-25-2010, 03:16 PM
You know that little rubber insert inside the spark plug socket that grips the ceramic?? Well....it is stuck (rammed, wedged) down around the hex part of the plug so I can no longer get the socket on to twist it out.




I want pics, I picture what he is doing-did? All you do is pull the wire boot off and loosen the plug? If boot sticks and breaks, get pliers or vise grips to pull off remaining junk and then loosen plug?

He's talking about the piece of rubber inside the socket
http://clunkbucket.com/wp-content/uploads/spark_plug_socket-300x211.jpg
It came off and got pushed down, so that it's blocking the hex where the socket would grab.
I'd still give the vise grips a shot, if not, maybe one of those gator sockets?
http://www.thecylinderdoctors.com/shop/images/gator_socket.jpg

durango2001
01-25-2010, 03:28 PM
he has the 4.7 you cant grab the spark plug with vise grips or pliers it down in the head

RJ_Hythloday
01-25-2010, 03:46 PM
he has the 4.7 you cant grab the spark plug with vise grips or pliers it down in the head
That sux, not even needle nose vise grips? Is there a heat shield that can be removed? My neighbor has a 4.7 but I haven't spent much time looking under the hood.

Delta Dog
01-25-2010, 04:30 PM
That cylinder bore in the head, for the spark plug, is JUST big enough for the spark plug and a standard socket. I have consumed the space for the socket with the rubber socket insert.........mashed it down in there REAL good!! :funny:

I MAY be able to get a needle nose vise grip in there but was hoping for a less (possibly) destructive method.......to begin with at least. Right now the truck runs fine so I don't want to make the problem worse or the truck inoperable just yet.

If i do go the vise grip route..........do you think it would be OK to soak the plug/hole with PB blaster??? Hopefully a little bit would get past the rubber piece and to the threads. That one plug has been in for 144K so it might very well be a tight one.

gocartone
01-25-2010, 04:44 PM
How did you go about doing this?? The rubber insert should fit right back into the spark plug, if it doesn't just slowly rotate the socket while pushing down hard til it clicks down onto the hex. If that doesn't work just get a long skinny knife or screwdriver to cut the rubber so it's not all the way around it, then blast it out with air. I don't really get how you got the rubber stuck on there to where you can't get the socket back on by pressing hard though.

Delta Dog
01-25-2010, 04:53 PM
How did you go about doing this?? The rubber insert should fit right back into the spark plug, if it doesn't just slowly rotate the socket while pushing down hard til it clicks down onto the hex. If that doesn't work just get a long skinny knife or screwdriver to cut the rubber so it's not all the way around it, then blast it out with air. I don't really get how you got the rubber stuck on there to where you can't get the socket back on by pressing hard though.

From what I remember it was pretty easy!!! It went like this.........

Put socket on plug.......realized it was loose........took it off and realized the rubber thingy was not on.........got another rubber thingy from another socket and went back at it. Couldn't get it to seat right so "worked" at it with a little force.........THIS is when I realized the rubber thingy that I thought I lost had fallen out of the socket the first time I put it on the spark plug........I think it was old and shriveled cause it was always falling out of the socket anyway......

So.......as I "worked" on getting the socket with the 2nd rubber thingy on the plug I was smashing the other one down in the space between the cylinder wall and the plug hex part.........and did a dang fine job i might add!!! :woot:

gocartone
01-25-2010, 06:08 PM
Smooth one...just try to cut it with a thin long screwdriver and blow it out with the air.

Delta Dog
01-25-2010, 06:20 PM
Smooth one...just try to cut it with a thin long screwdriver and blow it out with the air.

I just picked up a stamped plug wrench for a homelite small engine......fit the new plug just fine. I might have to grind the outside edges down to reduce the wall thickness and make them "sharper" to hopefully cut into the rubber. Might even heat up the new tool to try and melt the rubber and let is squish up while I tap it down on the plug..........

I did make it to church yesterday so hopefully between that, all the planets aligning and a quick witches potion :beer: ........all will be well!!!!! :rockwoot:

WestCoastKevin
01-25-2010, 08:16 PM
Do you have a small o-ring pick/hook set? That should do it.
or
Take a wire coat hanger and bend the end of it and sharpen it to pierce the rubber. Try to hook it up

Try to get it up before cutting it into pieces. You do not want pieces of it falling down the plug hole.

Good luck,
Kevin

Rebel13
01-25-2010, 08:47 PM
This thread is funny!

bigjv123
01-25-2010, 09:36 PM
This thread is funny!

x2!!

Craigslue
01-26-2010, 12:29 AM
I 2nd the pick/hook wire job!:rant:

petrock
01-26-2010, 03:00 AM
This thread is funny!
:mullet:

On a serious note: I'd get an exacto knife (one of those ones with a long pencil style handle). It should be able to pierce the rubber and cut through it so you can use a pick to remove the remains. Definitely use some compressed air before removing the plug or applying the plug wire boot to make sure there aren't any bits left over in there. Getting a good dental mirror may also help. Good luck... :worky:

Delta Dog
01-26-2010, 03:35 AM
I finally got that sucker!!!!!!!! The modified cheapo, homelite spark plug wrench was the ticket.......took me 5 minutes to get it out. Didn't even really realize I had it till I pulled it up & out. Didn't see anything on the plug so I taped a small piece of tubing to my shop vac and sucked out for 5 minutes or so.......I think I heard some "stuff" go through the hose! Creepy........but the truck runs GREAT!!!!!!!

Anyway, just got the 2 hard ones left which I figure I will leave for the weekend and some daylight!!

Thanks to all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

gocartone
01-26-2010, 03:56 AM
Hard ones? All of them were easy when I did mine atleast, just had to take the 2 bolts out on the fuel line so it could wiggle, and I took the intake tube off, only took about 20-30min start to finish.

durango2001
01-26-2010, 04:05 AM
Hard ones? All of them were easy when I did mine atleast, just had to take the 2 bolts out on the fuel line so it could wiggle, and I took the intake tube off, only took about 20-30min start to finish.

do you have the 4.7

RJ_Hythloday
01-26-2010, 12:17 PM
:mullet:

On a serious note: I'd get an exacto knife (one of those ones with a long pencil style handle). It should be able to pierce the rubber and cut through it so you can use a pick to remove the remains. Definitely use some compressed air before removing the plug or applying the plug wire boot to make sure there aren't any bits left over in there. Getting a good dental mirror may also help. Good luck... :worky:

Yeah, having a piece fall down inside sounds pretty bad.
Hard ones? All of them were easy when I did mine atleast, just had to take the 2 bolts out on the fuel line so it could wiggle, and I took the intake tube off, only took about 20-30min start to finish.

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2001 RC 4.7 5-Speed 4x4



do you have the 4.7

His sig says he does.

Delta Dog
01-26-2010, 01:37 PM
This is the beast............

This is now officially a pass around tool. If ya need it, I'll send it.

gocartone
01-26-2010, 02:07 PM
Looks like the plug socket for my 450r^ They made the whole around to small for a regular socket on them.

And yes it is a 4.7, which ones were suposed to be hard?

Delta Dog
01-26-2010, 04:40 PM
Looks like the plug socket for my 450r^ They made the whole around to small for a regular socket on them.

And yes it is a 4.7, which ones were suposed to be hard?

I should have said inconvenient rather than hard. I meant the two plugs that have the tubing over the top of them. I don't remember how exactly I got around them last time but it couldn't have been to hard or I would still be having nightmares!!!

bigjv123
01-26-2010, 08:55 PM
I should have said inconvenient rather than hard. I meant the two plugs that have the tubing over the top of them. I don't remember how exactly I got around them last time but it couldn't have been to hard or I would still be having nightmares!!!

you have to unhook the lines runnning above them and slide the lines out of the way

99Dakota
01-27-2010, 12:17 AM
i personally love doing tune ups on 4.7l's. remove coil packs, blow out the holes zip out the plugs gap and put in new ones reinstall packs and pretty much goood to good. only takes 10-15mins....

glad u got it out though. looks like a tool from the movie the sandlot. hah

gocartone
01-27-2010, 04:13 AM
^Same here, for a V8 it was really easy. I've done plugs on WAY WAY worse. (Ford bus with a V10 that has COP with the back 8 cylinders under the windshield/dash)